PAW Is Crumbling!!!Bishop Noel Jones is leaving too!
 

EVERY THING that can be shaken will be shaken.

That's exactly what i am seeing wow!

I talked to a COGIC Evangelist tonight- her son comes and sits in our choir rehearsals and the things she was telling me they are going thru too- I was like " you guys too??". actually, theirs is probably Worse!!

Who is the Bishop of COGIC now?

Bishop Charles Blake of LOs Angeles. He pastors the 22,000 member West Angeles cathedral COGIC in L.A
he's the interm Bishop- there's some skeleton's they are digging out of his closet that ...... well, it's not good.
I'm going to be at his church next wednesday night. their church is putting on a free concert with Kurt carr, Ty Tribett, mary mary and .... if forgot who else right now.

Sounds like a great concert.

As far as skeletons go, I say that the guy with out any is the only one who can expose the ones that others have.

i wouldn't doubt it one bit. the things I hear going on in the PAW and COGIC make the UPC look like angels!!! lol seriously

I know that. I have known that for a long time. I have preached for both groups. I have friends in both groups.

what is that you've heard ??

you can use initials

I have heard that NJ has had charges of homosexuality against him for years.

I know of one local PAW pastor that got a girl friend, divorced and remarried (in that order) and never had to give up his church or have his license pulled.

I think NJ must swing. he was just at a movie premier in L.A for the new "tyler perry" film- can't rememebr the title. anyways, there was a lot going on there.
we have 2 general board members here . one just had a love child by a 15 year old and the other was turned in for beating his wife. the odd thing is, the people just roll right over it like it's nothing- Amazing!!!!

He may swing then.

Can't the state get involved if a grown man is having relations with a 15 year old?

Yes but he is the Bishop Joe and in COGIC they are looked up to like deities. the mother of this girl threatend to squeal so he paid her a large sum of money.

NJ ain't COGIC.

The COGIC pastor in the town I am from is facing charges of relations with a minor.

I know NJ is not COGIC.

i got what you was saying

I think it is sad to see what is happening in the PAW.

yea it really is. I have friends from way back who are PAW. in fact, I've gone to 3 of their natl. conventions in last few years and thought to myself " you've got to be kidding!" . I just left with such an empty feeling
. not to say that upc is perfect or problem free buuuuut........

Is this news? When did all this become a hot topic? This is old news and PAW, crumbled along time ago. There are some solid Brothers who still believe in One God and holiness and Acts 2:38 but that is few.

when you say "crumbled a long time ago" I'm assuming you are referring to the standards ?? if so, yes, the majority no longer abide by the dress code.

however, what is happening now, as far as the major players leaving is Huge News.

They have had churches that have been preaching Three god preachers for a while. It was more than standards. Hey can anyone name me 10 PAW preachers who made the big time on National Television?

yea you're right however, Last year they had their National convention in Los Angeles. I went to it because it was fairly close. One night the guest was the Bishop of the COGIC. to my surprise, the people did a "walk out" I heard that about 70% of the poeple walked out.
the last night they had Sister Jaunita Bynum as the speaker but she cancelled at the last minute- maybe she got word that there had been a protest a few nights before ?

as far as the 10 famous preachers? i don't think i could name that many but there are a few.

What I heard about a PAW church down south is pretty sad, my intern who worked the summer said that the church was filled with old people and young single mothers with many kids, very few if no young married couples.

No slam on the authentic, God called musicians, but he said all the music people slept around, father many children with various mothers, collected a check and left without being moved by God or the word.

Bishop Horace Smith, he is from Chicago.

I will be at Braziers ( PAW)in Chicago December 14th doing a Christmas Concert.
I am very excited the Chicago Symphony will doing my music.
Brazier did announce he is leaving the PAW.

IT'S CALLED THE END TIME

We are living in the last days

Is the PAW presiding bishop, rather than COGIC.

Really??? V-Lo going to be there? I might have to go up for that.

Brazier and Jones leaving the PAW may in fact be a Godsend for them. The PAW has been compromised on issues of doctrine and worldliness for a long time. It is no secret that they have had two years of protest at their National Convocation because of false doctrine being the guest speakers.

That is IMO a great slap in the face of the faithful ministers that have been true to the message for years. The PAW once had the greatest preachers alive and their history was rich with true doctrine preachers.

Until recently I have been around the PAW for years. Nobody can know their history and point to their present state and consider it progress. How can hobnobbing with Hollywood, promoting false doctrine and perversion in their music departments be progress when it has destroyed a once strong organization?

Many of their men don't even believe the Apostolic doctrine and some of their churches are now pastored by trinitarians.

I'll send you an email

I hope the rest of the Hairy Ticks leave too! They need to get the presideing prelate to take off also!

okay, but the thing is ,Braizer is the man who keeps PAW afloat finanacially. that's how it's going to hurt. also,because Jones is so successful, the younger generation will likley follow his example.
I do know too that Braizer has pushed "eternal security" for years.

I doubt if any of their churches are pastored by outright trinitarians

Horace Smith is siding with Braizer from what i was told- now that is like WOW! a big mess! IF your top leader is siding with those who are leaving, what signal does that send to the rest of the body?? WHY should they stay?

I love Bishop Brazier and Bishop Noel Jones, PAW will never be the same. These are great men of God. Not really concerned why they left, just content in knowing they are wise men and they hear from God.

Thank God!


The PAW needs to not EVER be the same. these guys need to join some baptist organization.

GT Haywood has finnallly stopped turning over in his grave.

The PAW is a great organizaiton that needs to return to its former glory. Big churches with empty messages are NOT the answer!!!!

I am hoping this is a signal that the old guard is flexing a little muscle and intends to move the organization back to being Apostolic.

so i take it you don't care much for Jones and braizer??


I wonder what chuckie Ellis will do ?? he has the other Large PAW church in Detroit.

HIs uncle had a great church in chicago but is serving time in prison

standards too ???

Thad, on standards, I think there should be room for a wide range. On doctrine, I have adovated that the UPCI allow PCI and PAJC views.

however Brazier and the rest of these guys have abandoned Oneness doctrine, and have embraced all manner of false doctrine that have been rejected by every stripe of Apostolic movements.


I believe that we need to be inclusive of the Pan-Apostolic movement but when a guys quits being Apostolic, we dont have to continue being inclusive.

A lie
 

That is a lie. I have never heard anyone preach that there are "Three God's and you have not either.

I think this is a Oneness reference to Trinitarian teaching - no ?

Amen!