The Engaging Church
 

Yesterday, I attended a church growth seminar in Birmingham, AL.

One word can sum it all up:

OUTSTANDING!

I thoroughly enjoyed the material that they taught and was able to
clearly see the gaping holes that plague many Pentecostal churches
nationwide in regards to keeping and integrating our guests.

http://www.outreachtraining.com/engagingchurch.htm

:runhills Another non-Oneness method being incorporated into our churches.......


:hypercoffee

:guns

I'm an advocate of no-nonsense Biblical principles.... regardless of who may or may
not like them.... they brought good material to the table.... no regrets here.... :pirate

I was going to offer info via PM; perhaps it would be better not to *pollute* anyone.... :D

I did thank one of the *trinny* key-note speakers for sharing the material....

Most of the main-stream church leadership books are written by trinnies.... they have LOTS of great info, one can easily seperate the true spiritual wisdom they describe from their false doctrinal "salvation" message....

not sure why this was even brought up....

were you just saying that for the following effect: Trinnies: 1 OP: 0

Sounds great!

We many times have the reason for church all mixed up - Pastor Cupples just said this weekend that church is for the lost, not the saved!

Any help in getting the lost to where they need to be is good help!

When I first read the title, I thought this was going to be a church where people got hooked up with a mate! :D

I have no problem with using trinity people for ideas on church growth and follow up.

I am putting together some material on follow up and it is based on principles I learned when I worked in sales.

I agree with the author's statements about being able to seperate spiritual wisdom and the false doctrine on salvation they teach. If you can't do this then you don't belong in leadership yet.

Oh I think one of the reasons it was probably brought up was because after the whole "Purpose Driven Church" was out there and some OP churches were putting in some aspects of that....the "rage" at the time was....why are OP going to them for growth when they should be coming to us?

Because a lot of of our methods are stuck in the dark ages. We live in different times, people live busier lives than ever before, and we have to be willing to learn new methods. We have expanded our horizons locally and are starting to see an incredible pay-off. Through non-traditionals methods.

Yes, methods like the rack, the Roman scratch plow and men wearing "tights."

What we need are Arabic numerals, a zero, and movable type. And a passage to the East that circumvents the Muslim lands so as that have spices to make our rotted meats savory again.

But we still will burn our heretics, thank you very much.

Dude after falling in love with Indian food I understand that whole spend a fortune to bring home the spices thingy, puts history in a much clearer perspective.

Know what you mean man. Our staff attended a seminar, implemented some of the ideas and saw several new families come in. Last week I found out the guy is AoG now I'm wondering if all the ones that prayed through are really saved!!!!









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Just for the record...I am not against using ideas from other organizations and tweaking things here and there. I guess it all depends on which program you use.

Lacking Insight
 

Yes, that may be a non-Oneness method, but it begs the greater question. Where were the Oneness ministers teaching these principals. Where are the Oneness John Maxwells teaching leadership to their people and not, "Oh, our pastor is like that". Not good enough when you are looking at a Oneness movement as a whole! Brother, you attitude is since it's not a Oneness seminar, it's not of God. I guess the Azuza Street revival was not of God until people started getting baptized in Jesus Name?

Oh please, surely you are jesting? What about the testimonies of the saints that started out, " I came in first in a Baptist church or a Methodist church, before I found the truth" To say that the influence the aforementioned churches had on these people is demeaning to say the least. Thank God those instruments were used to awaken these people before Jesus revealed His Goodness to them.

If you know anything about me...you will note that this statement is total tongue in cheek. I am definately not of the mindset that OP has it "all" in terms of leadership principles and outreach ideas. This just comes off of similar comments about other ideas that came about that was put down because it was not OP.

You've got to be kidding????

Guess no one knows my humor or has read my defense of outside organizational ideas and leadership principles.

For the record....I have no problem with people going to these events. I have no pribls
with churches taking certain leadership principles and outreach tools, tweaking them and implementing them as they see fit for the needs of their church and community.

Socali,

I knew you were just joking! Now do you feel better?

Also, it is obvious that Anaphylactic81 is new here... did you notice that he not only got in your grill but that he also thought Encephalitis was serious about those new folks salvation...???

I will pray for Anaphylactic81 that he/she is not in shock when they realize the satire that resides in these hallowed pages.:pirate

*Wipe forehead!! That's a relief, I was afraid I was going to have to get all up in arms and everything!!! And from what I've read you post, (and your screen-name) I understand you are down there with all the other heathens, I thought you were going to be needing a rescue pretty quick!! LOL!!!

Please, PLEASE tell me you are joking????

:sos

Apologies Dude!
 

After reading the later posts, my apologies for coming down on you! So the name, SoCaliUPC is not a play on the AT&T commercials?