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Thad 10-21-2007 12:26 AM
((((<<<EARTH SHAKING NEWS>>>))))))))UPC Evangelist......
 
************************************************** *****TOTAL SHOCK!!!!


Folks you are not going to believe this ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

a former UPC Evangelist from the Western District now is working for Jim Baker's son's church AND
.....AAAAAAAAAAAAND GET THIS!!!! Some film company is about to do a documentary on his life.....his walk from a ultra right wing fundamentalist to an out-gay man who preaches Gods love and acceptance.

You hear one of his "sermons" on Jay Bakker's church website.....he says that God accepts homosexuality (or understands it) because God calls us his BRIDE!!! WHA????????????? You have to hear the sermon...it is about 20 minutes...Go to this website...

www.revolutionchurch.com

and then MEDIA and go to his sermon about God, Gay, Grace.

Steadfast 10-21-2007 12:35 AM
Gotta be careful about that picture that comes up... the statement (and the speech) kind of sums up how demented these kinds of people and attitudes can be.

Sick, sad and nauseating.

Thad 10-21-2007 12:45 AM
This is totally, I mean totally Blowing my mind away!!!!


this world is crumbling ! !



when you go to this link, choose New York, then go to Media at the top of the page.

then hear his sermon called "God's grace"


it is truely earth shattering !

dizzyde 10-21-2007 12:45 AM
I don't remember this guy??? I'm suprised he didn't hook in with the RPI group!

Thad 10-21-2007 12:47 AM
He was an Apostolic Evangelist, married with 3 kids

started out in Arkansas, ended up in California

Thad 10-21-2007 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 276984)
I don't remember this guy??? I'm suprised he didn't hook in with the RPI group!


Dizzy, he was based out of Howard Davis in san Bernardino

preached a lot of revivals in the southern california

you have got to check this out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steadfast 10-21-2007 12:49 AM
Better be careful... quite a bit of cussing during the sermon.

Yes, I'm serious.

And, yes, it's still sick, sad and nauseating.

Jack Shephard 10-21-2007 12:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad (Post 276955)
************************************************** *****TOTAL SHOCK!!!!


Folks you are not going to believe this ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

a former UPC Evangelist from the Western District now is working for Jim Baker's son's church AND
.....AAAAAAAAAAAAND GET THIS!!!! Some film company is about to do a documentary on his life.....his walk from a ultra right wing fundamentalist to an out-gay man who preaches Gods love and acceptance.

You hear one of his "sermons" on Jay Bakker's church website.....he says that God accepts homosexuality (or understands it) because God calls us his BRIDE!!! WHA????????????? You have to hear the sermon...it is about 20 minutes...Go to this website...

www.revolutionchurch.com

and then MEDIA and go to his sermon about God, Gay, Grace.
Interesting. There is a man with the lastname Clanton or something like that who pastors a Gay Pentecostal church just north of here in Scottsdale. Their site tells how he got his education at CLC. The Photo Gallery is funny to say the least. It blows my mind that this kinda church exists. But it does. I think the church name is Reconciling Pentecostal Assembly. You all can google the name if you want to see the site. It is just plain weird.

Thad 10-21-2007 12:51 AM
I'm sorry, he states he has 4 kids

also his lover is HIV positive WOW!

Thad 10-21-2007 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 276993)
Interesting. There is a man with the lastname Clanton or something like that who pastors a Gay Pentecostal church just north of here in Scottsdale. Their site tells how he got his education at CLC. The Photo Gallery is funny to say the least. It blows my mind that this kinda church exists. But it does. I think the church name is Reconciling Pentecostal Assembly. You all can google the name if you want to see the site. It is just plain weird.
he was a minister & graduate from CLC in stockton
all that came out quite a while back


this is all new and really shocking to a lot of us that knew this man's minsitry

dizzyde 10-21-2007 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 276993)
Interesting. There is a man with the lastname Clanton or something like that who pastors a Gay Pentecostal church just north of here in Scottsdale. Their site tells how he got his education at CLC. The Photo Gallery is funny to say the least. It blows my mind that this kinda church exists. But it does. I think the church name is Reconciling Pentecostal Assembly. You all can google the name if you want to see the site. It is just plain weird.
Yeah, that is the group I was referring to, they actually have an organization. The term "Out and Proud" is definitely their motto. One of the leaders of the movement is actually a very old friend. It is very troubling to say the least. The only thing that I can say is I have to hate the sin, but love the sinner.

dizzyde 10-21-2007 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 276998)
he was a minister & graduate from CLC in stockton
all that came out quite a while back


this is all new and really shocking to a lot of us that knew this man's minsitry
I just can't place him, Hmmm, I wish there was a picture of him.

Joseph Miller 10-21-2007 12:55 AM
This nut preached in MS a few years ago.

SoCaliUPC 10-21-2007 12:56 AM
WOW! The lengths some will go to to legitizmize their sin. Unbelieveable!

Thad 10-21-2007 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277002)
I just can't place him, Hmmm, I wish there was a picture of him.

I heard he has a myspace ??

If someone has the link to it please post it



He is saying in this sermon that he is now working for Jay Baker

Thad 10-21-2007 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller (Post 277003)
This nut preached in MS a few years ago.
tell us about it joseph

Steadfast 10-21-2007 01:00 AM
He preached a short while back for the ICOF... Rev. Bernie's bunch. I think he also is / was a part of the AWCF... the same bunch that Suber and his crew joined recently.

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 277008)
I heard he has a myspace ??

If someone has the link to it please post it



He is saying in this sermon that he is now working for Jay Baker
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=228647670

Thad 10-21-2007 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 277010)
He preached a short while back for the ICOF... Rev. Bernie's bunch. I think he also is / was a part of the AWCF... the same bunch that Suber and his crew joined recently.

what is ICOF ? who is Rev. Bernie ?


I couldn't listen to anymore of it - making me sick seriously

Steadfast 10-21-2007 01:02 AM
Sad stuff... here's some video of him. Not much better, honestly.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/e4460265EGjeHE

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:02 AM
Well, I'm officially grossed out.

Joseph Miller 10-21-2007 01:10 AM
He came to MS and preached at all the home mission churches. He was a very mean spirited person as he said. He was just full of himself.

He used to preach for some "Ultra-cons" in MS. I wonder if they know about this.

Thad 10-21-2007 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 277015)
Sad stuff... here's some video of him. Not much better, honestly.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/e4460265EGjeHE


from what he said here, it sounds like he is espousing the "universal reconciliation" doctrine that carlton pearson preaches

Thad 10-21-2007 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller (Post 277023)
He came to MS and preached at all the home mission churches. He was a very mean spirited person as he said. He was just full of himself.

He used to preach for some "Ultra-cons" in MS. I wonder if they know about this.

you're not the first person to mention this.

I got word that he was ultra conservative at one time

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 277026)
from what he said here, it sounds like he is espousing the "universal reconciliation" doctrine that carlton pearson preaches
Well, Carlton is his #2 MySpace friend. UUUGGHHHHH!

Joseph Miller 10-21-2007 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277031)
Well, Carlton is his #2 MySpace friend. UUUGGHHHHH!

Is CP straight?

Thad 10-21-2007 01:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277031)
Well, Carlton is his #2 MySpace friend. UUUGGHHHHH!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


Dizzy what is going on in this world ??? really, seems like every time i turn around someone is flipping out

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:19 AM
His ex-wife actually looks more familiar to me than he does, does anyone know were she is from? My heart breaks for these women.

Thad 10-21-2007 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller (Post 277032)
Is CP straight?

what made you ask that ??

i've heard some things lately ............ recent stuff

Thad 10-21-2007 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277034)
His ex-wife actually looks more familiar to me than he does, does anyone know were she is from? My heart breaks for these women.

someone told me he was originally from a ultra conservative church in Arkansas - it was not UPC. either independant or AMF - not sure

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 277033)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


Dizzy what is going on in this world ??? really, seems like every time i turn around someone is flipping out
Pretty much!! You have heard about the Carlton Pearson thing, I'm sure??

Joseph Miller 10-21-2007 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 277036)
what made you ask that ??

i've heard some things lately ............ recent stuff

I have just never thought he was.

SoCaliUPC 10-21-2007 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277034)
His ex-wife actually looks more familiar to me than he does, does anyone know were she is from? My heart breaks for these women.
Somewhere I read that you were from California so you have probably seen her. They were based out of Howard Davis' church at one time.

Thad 10-21-2007 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277038)
Pretty much!! You have heard about the Carlton Pearson thing, I'm sure??
about him going off into weird doctrine or other ??

Thad 10-21-2007 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller (Post 277039)
I have just never thought he was.


I think the truth will come out in time

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 277040)
Somewhere I read that you were from California so you have probably seen her. They were based out of Howard Davis' church at one time.
Yeah, he looks a little familiar, but she really did. But it wasn't a great picture. Oh, you didn't catch all my SoCal district references???? LOL!!!

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 277043)
about him going off into weird doctrine or other ??
The weird doctrine stuff, the other, well I hadn't heard that but personally, I always thought there was something hinky with him and Carman. IMO!!!!

Thad 10-21-2007 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277049)
The weird doctrine stuff, the other, well I hadn't heard that but personally, I always thought there was something hinky with him and Carman. IMO!!!!

yea especially when they dressed alike in matching outifts and drove matching mercedes!!!

Joseph Miller 10-21-2007 01:35 AM
hmmmm....makes one wonder.

dizzyde 10-21-2007 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 277051)
yea especially when they dressed alike in matching outifts and drove matching mercedes!!!
Groooaaannnnnn...... I didn't even know that part!


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