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Nahum 10-22-2007 11:11 AM

The World's Most Butchered Scriptures?
 
Let's compile a list of the most frequently butchered scriptures.

I'll start...

"And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me."—John 12:32.

Why do Pentecostals think this means WE are to lift Him up by praising Him; shouting, dancing, screaming, running and the like?

It really meant that if He was CRUCIFIED He would draw all men.



Okay, your turn.

HeavenlyOne 10-22-2007 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277759)
Let's compile a list of the most frequently butchered scriptures.

I'll start...

"And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me."—John 12:32.

Why do Pentecostals think this means WE are to lift Him up by praising Him; shouting, dancing, screaming, running and the like?

It really meant that if He was CRUCIFIED He would draw all men.



Okay, your turn.


In James: "An open-minded man is unstable in all his ways."

I heard that quoted recently, but still can't find it.......



:D

HeavenlyOne 10-22-2007 11:15 AM

Ok, I'll bite.

Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

This means women can't wear pants, even women's pants.


:D

What did you expect me to say?????

Nahum 10-22-2007 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 277763)
In James: "An open-minded man is unstable in all his ways."

I heard that quoted recently, but still can't find it.......



:D

:scoregood

Well, I think it should be there, if it isn't!

Nahum 10-22-2007 11:16 AM

How about the cloud the "size" of a man's hand?

It's not in there.

HeavenlyOne 10-22-2007 11:17 AM

And then there's the unknown verse that says holiness is what you are wearing on the outside.............

HeavenlyOne 10-22-2007 11:17 AM

Oh, and Jonah wasn't swallowed up by a whale.

HeavenlyOne 10-22-2007 11:19 AM

"Spare the rod, spoil the child"?

Nope, it's not there either.

Timmy 10-22-2007 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277772)
How about the cloud the "size" of a man's hand?

It's not in there.

1 Kings 18:44 The seventh time the servant reported, "A cloud as small as a man's hand is rising from the sea." So Elijah said, "Go and tell Ahab, 'Hitch up your chariot and go down before the rain stops you.' "

Hey, you're right! "As small as" is so not the same as "the size of"! :blink

Nahum 10-22-2007 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 277778)
Oh, and Jonah wasn't swallowed up by a whale.

Jesus said Jonah was "in the belly of a whale."

Matthew 12:40

HeavenlyOne 10-22-2007 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277787)
Jesus said Jonah was "in the belly of a whale."

Matthew 12:40

He obviously heard that from a UPC preacher! LOL!

HeavenlyOne 10-22-2007 11:23 AM

I like this game. I'll be back in a few hours to continue. I must meet LadyRev for lunch.

Nahum 10-22-2007 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 277783)
1 Kings 18:44 The seventh time the servant reported, "A cloud as small as a man's hand is rising from the sea." So Elijah said, "Go and tell Ahab, 'Hitch up your chariot and go down before the rain stops you.' "

Hey, you're right! "As small as" is so not the same as "the size of"! :blink

This is what the KJV says

"And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand. And he said, Go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down that the rain stop thee not."

aquestioninggirl 10-22-2007 11:27 AM

Ok I want to play

This is off the top of my head.......favorite for the end time..

And there will be wars and rumors of war...... (and some how everyone stops there) but the rest of the verse says... but the time is not yet.
Matthew 24:6

BoredOutOfMyMind 10-22-2007 11:30 AM

Judas hanged himself.. go ye therefore and do likewise....

Nahum 10-22-2007 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquestioninggirl (Post 277799)
Ok I want to play

This is off the top of my head.......favorite for the end time..

And there will be wars and rumors of war...... (and some how everyone stops there) but the rest of the verse says... but the time is not yet.
Matthew 24:6

Good one, never noticed that!:scoregood

Nahum 10-22-2007 11:35 AM

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

deltaguitar 10-22-2007 11:41 AM

John 3:5

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Somewhere along the way people got the idea that being born of the water had to do with Baptism. I thought Baptism was being buried with Christ.
:scorebad

Digging4Truth 10-22-2007 11:44 AM

They shall know them for their "love one for another"

Not in there.

one TO another.

BIG difference.

I can have love FOR you... but it is when I show love TO you that my love FOR you takes action.

Carpenter 10-22-2007 12:10 PM

The kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent take it by force...

The church takes this to mean that for some reason people need to get angry in their witness as they take the message to the street, which equates to a relentlessness that make the Jehova Witnesses look like kids collecting newspaper money but not any more effective.

What is better, for someone to say, "Wow, that person is really passionate and wouldn't give up...now turn it up and pass the chips." OR "Thank you for listening to me, I would love to go to church with you."

Stephanas 10-22-2007 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277812)
Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

(1 Corinthians 14:21-22) "21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

Timmy 10-22-2007 12:12 PM

Acts 2:38

(Decide for yourselves who butchers it! :sly)

rgcraig 10-22-2007 12:13 PM

Great thread!

Nahum 10-22-2007 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 277856)
The kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent take it by force...

The church takes this to mean that for some reason people need to get angry in their witness as they take the message to the street, which equates to a relentlessness that make the Jehova Witnesses look like kids collecting newspaper money but not any more effective.

What is better, for someone to say, "Wow, that person is really passionate and wouldn't give up...now turn it up and pass the chips." OR "Thank you for listening to me, I would love to go to church with you."


Excellent!

The last thing we need is angry Pentecostals claiming dominion over sinners like rabid Crusaders.

Nahum 10-22-2007 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephanas (Post 277857)
(1 Corinthians 14:21-22) "21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

But the stammering lips were from foreigners, right?

What benefit would stuttering be?

mizpeh 10-22-2007 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277812)
Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

Why did Paul quote it in 1 Cor 14? Just to say tongues are a sign to unbelievers like the conquering armies of the Chaldeans who spoke another language were a sign to disobedient Isreal? What is the rest and the refreshing then?

Scott Hutchinson 10-22-2007 12:34 PM

How about this one ? In the last days you can't tell the seasons one from another. I don't remember reading that in the book.

dizzyde 10-22-2007 12:34 PM

Well, I once sat through an entire message about Sistrens of water. (meaning: cisterns)

The butchering of the English language is what gets to me, not that I am perfect, by a long shot, but COME ON!!!!

mizpeh 10-22-2007 12:36 PM

Romans 8:26.....with groaning which cannot be uttered.

This doesn't prove speaking in tongues is intercessory prayer. This isn't even about tongues since it cannot be uttered.

Nahum 10-22-2007 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 277887)
Well, I once sat through an entire message about Sistrens of water. (meaning: cisterns)

The butchering of the english language is what gets to me, not that I am perfect, by a long shot, but COME ON!!!!

The word English should be capitalized!:pirate

dizzyde 10-22-2007 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277892)
The word English should be capitalized!:pirate

I saw that as soon as I sent it, knew I would get crucified! LOL!!!

Nahum 10-22-2007 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 277884)
Why did Paul quote it in 1 Cor 14? Just to say tongues are a sign to unbelievers like the conquering armies of the Chaldeans who spoke another language were a sign to disobedient Isreal? What is the rest and the refreshing then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277812)
Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

What does this mean? How is speaking in tongues "speaking to this people?"

“For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people,"

mizpeh 10-22-2007 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277898)
What does this mean? How is speaking in tongues "speaking to this people?"

“For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people,"

In Isaiah 28, in context, other tongues is a foreign language of a conquering army that was to be a sign to the nation of Israel. http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/vi...er=28&verse=11

This is something a non charismatic Trinitarian hit me with when I was trying to explain this use of this passage in 1Cor14. I thought you were going along these lines to explain why "rest and refreshing" and "stammering lips and other tongues" was not the referring to the NT speaking in tongues.

Kae 10-22-2007 01:12 PM

Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

aquestioninggirl 10-22-2007 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 277886)
How about this one ? In the last days you can't tell the seasons one from another. I don't remember reading that in the book.

Thank you!!! That is my dad's favorite!!!

aquestioninggirl 10-22-2007 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kae (Post 277917)
Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

And there was no snake!

Nahum 10-22-2007 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kae (Post 277917)
Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

Oh, I can't stand that one!!!!!!!

Ferd 10-22-2007 01:18 PM

Galatians 3

Nahum 10-22-2007 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquestioninggirl (Post 277925)
And there was no snake!


Huh?

aquestioninggirl 10-22-2007 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 277928)
Huh?

It never says that a snake made Eve eat the apple.


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