Why did Sis Urshan die? She probably had a million or more people praying for her.
 

I wish I could change the title of this thread.


Why do most of you think that you need a lot of people praying for your healing? The more... the better..., or so they say.

Maybe among a lot of people there's a better chance that God will hear one of them?

Maybe there's someone in the group that can pray the prayer of faith? You know God has His favorites, right?

God, I've pulled all the levers and pushed all the buttons, why haven't you healed me?

Larry sometimes God gives our final healing and that is death.

It happens to the best of us.

*sigh*

This is seriously bad taste to use someone else for your example that might be held dear to so many people on this board

There is a sickness unto death

God is sovereign and we are never going to figure out why he heals some people and not others. He has his own reasons.

As the song says "Heaven holds all the answers that time wil never tell".

You know you have to bombard heaven to get God's attention?

You know what the Bible says about the man who went to his friend at midnight asking for bread? He just kept on knocking? Right?

Short answer, old age, health problems.

Long Answer, the already but not yet, healing is available, but not everyone is healed, I am at a point in my ministry that I finally understand this. The kingdom has come in Jesus, how much I experience of it is up to him, my job is to pray that it comes.

James was beheaded, Tromiphius left sick, Timothy was encouraged to take wine, Paul's Thorn, shows that healing in this life at best is partial, the Gifts of the Spirit help us know what and who God is healing.

Lot's of good answers already- but what are you getting at BigLar? The dear sister was almost 80 years old. That's a lot of living, let her rest now.

I agree!

Well, Bro ,
What about Ps 103:3, Where David said that the LORD healeth ALL diseases?

What about the other more than one thousand other promises about God healing us?

What do you think about it, Big Larry?

He does heal all diseases, the issue is who diseases is he healing now. God will not be token machine that you put in the right amount of coinage (promises, quotes, prayers) and get the desired result.

John 5 tells of Jesus going to a hospital of that day and only healing one guy, go figure?

I think when it's our time no amount of praying will help...why argue with God when he brings someone home???

I don't understand this either.. I think the Praying is more for us...than for the one going home....

Her name have been on hundreds of posts here on this forum. I mean no disrespect. I felt there probably would have been more prayers for her than anyone I could think of.

The issue is : How many prayers does it take to get God's attention?

Larry, Let's make this about you and I.

Have you really discovered that even death has no sting when we are in Christ?

I rejoice in knowing she is with my Lord.

Every prayer has his attention ... the answer may not always be YES.

Not even one murmer. Just the inner man turning to God without pretention and mustard seed faith.

Very true.

So True....and His timing is always perfect..

God ALWAYS says Yes to the things He has promised in His word (will). ll Cor 1:20.

Did he only heal one guy or was only one recorded?

Hello, Sibs!!
What do we do when our experience does not reflect the Word?

It is appointed for a man once to die. It is gonna happen to all of us.

We should judge our experiences by the Word. Believe the word. Thy word is truth. ...and the word was God.

We all have an appointed time... that's his Word too. We are conceived in sin ... and the effects of sin catches up to all of us ....

but thank God for Jesus Christ .... our Hope of Glory.

God takes VERY serious the prayers of a great number of people, but think of it THIS way: What is a few tens of thousands of people, praying for God to heal someone and keep them from death, worked every time just because of the faith of that many? We could keep someone alive indefinitely! Then the next question would be, who do "we" decide to have God make live forever?
Put that way, does anyone think God would allow a loophole like that?

As has been stated, God answers prayers, it's just not always the answer we want. BUT (to partially quote a song), it is always the answer we need!

I agree without a dout she is with Our Lord.

Well I don't believe in arguing from silence but, no one else seems healed and when questioned about it, he said the Father was healing this guy and that why I healed him, by the way this reveals how to have a successful healing ministry or for that matter any ministry, only do what the Father is doing!

I'm sorry, this thread is not at all going where I had intended to go with it.

We've all prayed for things and about things that didn't come to pass. Since God has made promises and He cannot lie, there has to be answers somewhere as to why those prayers did happen like we thought they would.

People get old and are too weak when hurt seriously.

I agree.

And therin lie the great value of praying... not simply presenting a wishlist, but discovering His will and submitting with patience.

Big-larry... I know you knew or knew of my father John A Eckstadt.

His words to us as I was only 13 at the time.

He was terminally ill and the doctors called the family in to let us know we as younger kids needed to say good-bye.

Here are the actual words my Father spoke.

Nathan, I know you fell pain and sorrow. Understand where I come from in all of this....

Son it takes more faith to die than it does to live.

Think about it many folks want to know the Lord has to heal them...

One more day gives them the tangable life.

But to know that in death you are still in Christ....

Is the greatest levels of faith..

Death is not a defeat it is a victory.

We should not sorrow in someone of any level dying in Christ.

We should celebrate their faithfullness to God and his kingdom.

We need to honor them in the dignity and faith by which they lived and died.

Healing is just a miracle, even Lazarus died a second death.

The ultimate moment of redemption is completed when a soul is at rest in Christ at the death of the human body.

Very touching my friend, and very true.

His ways are above our ways! His thoughts above our thoughts! He takes counsel of His OWN Will.

Are you really asking this question of God? It seems so. I don't know your true intent, but it has the potential to be a very foolish question. Especially, if you declare yourself to be a student of His Word.

Get a stronger grip on Whom you serve and trust. Job's response is revealing and insightful into a "perfect and upright" man's earthly view of God's "doings." Yet though He slay me...yet will I trust Him. When I cannot feel Him anywhere in my life, I KNOW my redeemer liveth. Job was not prepared to "charge God foolishly."

You can learn from that if you choose to do so. The Lord addressed serious doubts and distrust, not to answer them, but to simply ask that we have faith in His perfect, inerrant judgment. Don't be offended in how God does His business.

Questions about how many people does it take to heal someone all miss the singular Truth about Him. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He is the Vine and we are the branches.

Please remember, "What is there about this life that makes it more valuable than the world to come?" Your questioning brings to mind the old spiritual...

..."Everybody's talkin' about heav'n...but nobody wants to die."

Change the word

Big Larry,
I haven't read through this thread only your first post.So to that I will reply.
Prayer is not a make God do what you want attempt.Prayer is a submission of flesh to the will of God.Its a face to face conversation with Jesus not a session convincing Him to give us our way.Sometimes God says,"no," and I am so glad He does.Imagine what life were like if Jesus gave us everything
we ever uttered in prayer???? There would be alot of cars sitting in my drive way for sure.Praying as Jesus instructed us also included ....thy will be done.
That means acceptance of whatever He decides.

I like Big Larry's response better: "Judge your experience by the Word"! It was a rhetorical question.

Hello Bro-Lar... I'm just getting caught back up with this thread...

In the verse you quote, David does say "all." So, some folks may ask, "Why are not 'all' healed?" But by doing this we are really forcing a rigidness upon the meaning of words that natural language doesn't intend and we're not being fair to the writer (or speaker).

In Philippians 4:13, it says: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Does that really mean, "I can do all things?" Can I rob a bank and Christ will help me to get away with it? Can I cheat on my taxes and Christ will cover for me with the I.R.S.?

Of course not, Paul wanted to emphasize the limitless potential of the power of Christ in the life of the believer, but he knew that anyone with a sound mind who read the whole letter was not going to think they had a license to sin.

This is an example of an "elliptical phrase." This phrase in and of itself is imperfect and requires that the reader have a broader context for understanding the writer's statement.

It's the same with healing "all our diseases." Some commentators have suggested that what the Psalmist had in mind was "all the diseases that afflicted the Egyptians," or perhaps "all their diseases" during the Wilderness journey. Verse 7, makes reference to Moses and the children of Israel, so some take this whole Psalm as a recounting of the Exodus and subsequent events (Exodus 15:26).

Others look forward to a time when we shall be gathered together to be with Him forever and the healing that takes place then (Revelation 22:2). No one seriously believes that "all" diseases "at all times" for "all believers everywhere is what the Psalm is teaching. Not even Jesus had this expectation (Matthew 25:31-36).