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Tulsa: A Description from a Coordinator of the Meeting
I just preached a very unique conference last week with two great Men of God. On one hand I had one of the Assistant General Superintendants and on the other hand I had one of the Coordinators of the Tulsa meeting.
For all the talk about 'recruiting' and 'stealing members' and 'unethical' that abounds I have to tell you that this isn't the spirit of the coordinators at all! They are kind gentlemen that are simply providing a grass roots meeting to discuss what steps to take to maintain an Apostolic atmosphere without the diminishing of Apostolic distinctives. I spent several days with them and - AMAZINGLY - not one time did they ask me to come to the meeting (I'm personal friends with most of the names on the mail out and have never been asked or recruited to come) or to drag others with me if I should decide to go. We had several candid conversations about recent events and I asked the coordinator point blank if the meeting was going to be a 'preaching' type meeting, a bloodbath or what... only to be told that what they want to do is NOTHING that would require anybody to leave the UPC. They simply want to talk options, hear suggestions and reiterate our goals as Apostolics. I know this will seriously upset some people to know that it will neither be a...
It's a meeting to gather suggestions and find a way to network men together who have begun to lose faith in the direction the Apostolic movement as a whole is going. And, for what it's worth, I've talked to many who are involved or going to this meeting and have yet to hear any viciousness in their voices. Just a little sadness for the most part. Thus, what most have surmised, heard gossiped about or interjected their own fabrications about... simply isn't true. |
Steadfast,
Thank you for this post! I doubt there will be a lot of response since many want to paint this meeting as the antithesis of the UPCI. However, as you have succinctly stated, the men that are coordinating this event not only love their fellow ministers, they are not denigrating the organization that they themselves have invested much passion, sweat, tears, and time in building. Rather they are trying to find a way to preserve Apostolic doctrine, experience, and culture, allowing men so inclined to remain in their respective fellowships/organizations. |
Thanks for helping to shed more light on the meeting.
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Well, it's not as sensational as some of the things being told but the truth isn't generally a high priority on those who love sensationalism!
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Did either man say they were turning in their cards before the meeting? If not, that would suggest to me that what you say is the intent of their hearts.
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Pastor Steadfast From your firsthand information, is this going to be a "formation conference?" Your statement: ". . . only to be told that what they want to do is NOTHING that would require anybody to leave the UPC." seems to directly contradict the reports that Pastor Epley has heard from the conference organizers. Will there be a new organization following the Tulsa meeting? |
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Your point that there is no hatred, etc. is well taken, but still it appears to be a meeting to plan the next step of leaving UPCI. |
I can hear that song echoing....Living on Tulsa time......Living on Tulsa time...
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Would anyone expect the spin to be otherwise?
Is Baghdad Bob the coordinator of misinformation? http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...ob_conquer.jpg |
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So far many credible rebutals......hmmmmmmmmm
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Bro. Steadfast...
I too have seen on some other forums that this is going to be the introduction of a New Organization by some that are spear-heading it... I don't doubt the civility of the meeting but I do not doubt either that this is the culminating end of the Houston meeting last year.... I think this ball has been rolling for awhile and those who haven't got their way in the past amid a myriad of issues (not just Television) are looking to get theirs (if you will).... imo... I do think some are in this for recognition and position... something they haven't got from the UPC.... it will be interesting to say the least.... |
Bagdad Bob INTENTIONALLY misled. I don't believe Steadfast would deceive.
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It would be a Fried Chicken Rain... .:D |
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So Bro. Steadfast is with a committee member from the Tulsa meeting personally, one-on-one, face-to-face, actually speaks with him and knows him and received firsthand information and people here refuse to believe him. You know better than actually speaking to the man? Basically you are saying that this committee member is an out-and-out liar and that Bro. Steadfast is inferior to you intellectually because you can see through the lie from your laptop miles and miles away but he cannot speaking in person to the individual.
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Any posters who are disagreeing with what Steadfast initially posted.
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A man can leave without having a BAD SPIRIT can he not......... I mean after all the few who have left because the "Mother Ship" was so far behind the times and in bondage and so forth and so on left in a good spirit.......did they not? ......... if these men choose to leave for the reason that they feel the UPCI is headed down a road that they do not feel to go, lets let them also leave with a good spirit......... I know almost every man who is helping put this meeting together......Most of them personally....they are good men, I hate to see them go.......but I still expect to fellowship them, I still expect to go to heaven with them, I hope to have some of them come and minister........Just because we are not all in the same organization does not mean that everyone who is not with us is headed to hell........I respect each minister of the gospel even if we do not agree on every point - as a matter of fact I cannot think of two ministers who agree on every point - unless one is a little clone who has no ability to think on his own....... Sorry to ramble........anyway, re-read the first post - I think we might be seeing words put in Steadfast mouth that were never there.....and God forbid we know that NEVER happens on AFF......... ROFL......... God bless |
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You plannin on going to TTown.......I am coming probably to see some good friends and eat some good food and check it all out......... |
Randy since you're back in Tulsa could I get you to go to this conference and be our reporter ? ? ? ? ?? :pirate I know w/o a doubt you would LOVE every minute of it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :stirpot
OH!!!! and off topic...I thought a certain member.... uuuumm uhhh...nevermind I'll PM someone about it |
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See, this kind of mentality ... |
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I have never felt like this meeting would be one with the animosity and bitterness that characterized the last big conservative uprising within the UPC. As I posted yesterday on another thread many of these men organizing this meeting are seasoned mature preachers with reputations of integrity. I do think it is not accurate to say that this meeting is not to chart a path forward that most likely includes these men leaving the UPC for whatever organization they plant the seeds for at this meeting. That is reality. It is not that these men are having this meeting to pull men away from the UPC but rather that this meeting is to accomodate those men who are already pulling away from the UPC over these disagreements over "direction". |
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for example...I posted something extremely carnal awhile back ( I have since repented :) ) and Steadfast said it was carnal but couldn't pick himself up off the floor from laughing at it...:D Just come to expect it from most...that's what makes this place fun!!! :pirate |
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Since you posted almost the exact same thing while I was I thought I'd follow you up this time. |
IAM,
This is the part that confuses me because it sounds like if these men are not going to do anything that would cause someone to turn in their card, then how could this meeting be about forming a new org? maybe they are thinking along the line of a conservative NCO? Quote:
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RevRandy I see there is a boat show in Tulsa starting the 28th....
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Who are you accusing of spreading misinformation? Steadfast, or the man he spoke with? |
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um...if any of the current leadership of the UPC is involved with the Tulsa meeting it cannot be considered a grass-roots effort.
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I am recieving DAILT firsthand reports of men disaffiliating their churches and are either dropping their licences or letting them lapse and they have been told by LB-JG-CC that this is a formation conference. Let's see who is correct? If it wasn't a sin to bet I would wager a steak dinner at Ruth's Chris. But since it is I cannot.
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