When the Pharisees Accused Jesus of Being used by the Devil...
 

Anybody recall that passage of Scripture?

You might be careful pronouncing folks "of the devil."

If by chance you were wrong about them...


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

If someone says a lie, a lie is of the devil. If someone preaches false doctrine, that is of the devil. Those who are of a bad spirit, and are not saved are of the devil. But, they can get saved, can repent, and be of God.

Thank you for a definitive answer, Brother Price.

Coonskinner, I have the utmost respect for you. Though, you do need a shave. :)

I agree with you brother.

There is power in your words. :)

I think there are spirits (attitudes) some folks exhibit that we can definitively say are of the devil. For instance......

1. All preachers are money-hungry, adulterous, control freaks.
2. All people should live under authoritarian bonds of legalism.
3. The UPC is the great whore of Babylon.
4. Its fun to attack my sister or brother when they are obviously hurting.

So, yeah, I believe in calling a spade a spade. Sometimes what people say originates from the pits of Hell. I have no idea why this thread was posted, but felt the need to respond.

Right Br Coonskinner. Very true.

A few weeks I started a thread that asked. " What is blasphemy'?

Adultery is pretty bad, and we all jump on those threads that mention homosexuals and beat them to death. Murderers and thieves get no mercy either.

BUT those who "judge their brother unworthy"...well they just get a free pass.

Cons judge lib's and vice versa every day with out a thought as to what their fate may be be if thay have judged wrongly.

What if the people, of the view that a women CAN cut her hair, are right.

Will God hold in contempt those who have imposed their view of scripture on women, causing some to fall. For many say she is UNHOLY.

Do we really want to "bet" our salvation on our interpretaiton of one passage, that has had so many interprtaions applied to it. A scripture as clear as muddy water at best.

Of all sins mentioned in the bible, the one we seem to not want to touch is this one of judging and blasphemy ( Callling something that is holy, unholy)

Course then we can go on to discuss gluttony once we get this one figured out. :heeheehee

Looks around.... admiring the scenery... wonders out loud...

Could someone tell me... is this a 2 way street?

When it comes to scripture there is ONE interpretation but MANY applications...

Be careful where you stand. You might get hit by a bus.

What is the point of this thread???

Did I miss something??

Ask Coonskinner. :dunno

Since when was a point a requirement of a thread? :killinme

Thanks for saying this, CS. It amazes me that people have no fear when it comes to criticizing God's people.

So, if a person lies, it isn't because he chose to lie but because the devil made him do it? Since Jesus said "there is none good but God," how can any unsaved person have a "good" spirit? Are we humans not born with a sinful nature and with a heart (seat of emotions, core of one's being) that is "deceitful" above all things "and desperately wicked"?

When are we going to stop removing from humans their responsibility for their own words, actions, attitudes, and beliefs? When are we going to stop placing the blame anywhere except in the wickedness of our own nature?

[QUOTE=MissBrattified;29314]Thanks for saying this, CS. It amazes me that people have no fear when it comes to criticizing God's people.[/QUOTE]

Some are quick to do it, because they feel they know that those they critisize are not God's people.

And therin lies the problem.

God help them if they are wrong.

You're right. Folks justify their criticism by assuring themselves inwardly that those they are criticizing are actually ungodly, Pharisees, or the like.

Chan ... I could not agree more. It's time we are held accountable.

It is my belief that folk give the devil far more credit for things than he deserves. Most of our problems stem from our own stinking flesh.

Sin is a human condition. It always amazes me when people blame the devil for everything. The devil may tempt us, but ultimately we choose sin of our own accord.

Sometimes I think its easier for folks to blame the devil than to take responsibility for their own actions. e.g., "The Devil made me do it!"

Baloney!

If someone tells me that I need to be tolerant of false doctrine, THEY are spouting off devlish doctrine.

When someone piles on a fellow Christian, absolutely knowing that person is already wounded, suffering, and bleeding, THEY are devlish.

I cannot stand injustice, and neither could Christ!!!!!

Would you guys quit being so ignorantly politically correct?!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!

That's the biggest problem in the church today. We are too big a pansies to call sin what it is. We ride the fence because we don't want to hurt someones precious little feelings.

What about when Jesus could turn to Simon and say "Get behind me, SATAN". Hello people!
Even he recognized the devils work in Simon's statement.

Malarkey!!

You are bringing secular humanism into the discussion. It's not always JUST our flesh. There IS a devil, and he and his minions work overtime to stir up our flesh against each other.

Don't deny his existence, and don't minimize his evil. He still tries very hard to use people to his advantage.

Are we really so blind? :beatdeadhorse

I just think that people blame the devil when they ought to be acknowledging their own sinful state. It's a cop-out, in my opinion.

It has nothing to do with political correctness--it has to do with being a man and accepting responsibility for your flesh.

I feel passion ... got something on your mind this morning ... PP?????

Satan can't force us to sin; ultimately we choose sin. Of course there is a devil! There's also a hell! But I hate the cop-out that so many people have chosen that says "I'm not responsible for the sin I committed because it was the devil's fault!"

I think that both flesh ... and the principalities of this world play a factor ... but I'm not going to act like the devil is omnipresent or omniscient ...

Now, who did I say was of the devil????????????????????

Sir...you need to calm down- you are going into stroke range. I never said there was NO DEVIL. I never said it was ALWAYS just our flesh...I absolutely believe in satan, I see him at work, trying to cause grief and division on this forum 24/7.

God bless.

Humanism at its finest!

You want to minimize our enemy's influence, thereby stating all evil originates in the heart of a man. Do you deny the existence of the enemy of our soul? Do you deny that he and his ambassodors are at work continually. Do you deny that we are (apart from the Holy Ghost) influenced to say evil things?

Maybe the Fact that Peter & Paul spending so much time in jail.. they were offending someone......

Who said he was? I just loathe it when people ignore the idea that anything supernatural could play apart in everyday life. This is false doctrine, and dare I say it? Of ........... oh never mind! :ranting

Without a doubt there is spiritual warfare all around us ... and it involves the Kingdom of God and Satan and his legions.

HAHAHA!!!! I am no where close to stroke range. This just bugs the fire out of me though. We are a selfish, self-centered church. We think we operate separate of any outside influences. How vain!?

I agree with you brother!!!

Preach it!:ranting

I heard a pastor say once that he would rather deal with a church full of devils anyday, than a church full of folks that were not killing their flesh daily. He said, "You pray the devil OUT of folk- you can't pray their flesh OUT." *smile*


I completely understand what you are saying PP...and I do agree with you. My kids think I am TOO paranoid when it comes to fighting off the spirits from Hell. I don;t allow secular mags in my home- they are tools that satan will use to bring a spirit of Lust and Pride into my house, I believe...just a sample of how I try to combat Hell, and the works of satan in my life...

I hope we are 'okay'...???? I don't want to offend anyone...

*pulls up a chair* Well, I had my mini-stroke yesterday ... it's your turn buddy.

Brother where in my post did I allude to this??? YOu are adding to my initial post...

I think my previous posts make it obvious that I'm doing nothing of the sort. LOL!!! You put the key word in this post--"influenced"!

We can be tempted and influenced, but ultimately, according to God's Word:

Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Do you people know how many times the devil has used "Christians" to hurt other Christians? How many times we play along with his diabolical schemes to destroy the church?

When someone maliciously attacks another person (especially a fellow-Christian) who is hurting, your very first response should be to fight against them. That is compassion in action.

We act like the devil when we kick a brother or sister who is bleeding, hurting, dazed and befuddled. It makes me soooooooooooooooo mad that the devil can play on the worst part of our humanity like that!

Wake up Church!