Apostolic -Jesus Name Apostasy
 

My spiritual world was turned upside down last night. Many people would label me a liberal, but I once was conservative, maybe even an ultra-con. While reading the thread on GNC about Marilyn Gazowsky and the VOP, I began to surf the web to see what happened to the VOP. Even though I attended Brother Paul Price's church in Napa, I visited the VOP as many times as I could.

Below is the link for VOP, which shows that Richard Gazowsky, Senior Pastor, has a trinitarian couple pastoring with him. After digging further into the VOP, I found myself wondering if I have been in error regarding my current beliefs on standards. I thought that there was a new revelation of liberty from "holiness standards", but after what I've seen at VOP and @ Richard Heard's church, Christian Tabernacle, last year, I found myself thinking perhaps I've been mislead.

How can it be that these once great churches slowly descended into carnality and lost the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost in their services? I read on one of the threads here on AFF that once the churches drop the standards then Acts 2:28 was not preached anymore. What I've read and seen, I would have to say there was truth to that statement.

Additionally, I've included a link on an article regarding the present day apostasy of the Apostolic church. I am seeking the Lord for direction. Please keep me in your prayers.



http://www.it-is-easy.org/contact/friends/gazowsky.php

http://www.it-is-easy.org/pw/teach/index.php

Are we liberals being deceived by the spirit of deception that leads to apostasy?

That's the KEY.

Fruits and standards (works) are always a result of poor roots (beliefs), brother take care of the roots of your faith and you will be OK.

If there is a live root, there will be something visible growing above the ground, too.

Richard's problem is he lost sight of his mission and purpose, that work in SF was not raised up by God to make movies or other stupid stuff.

The Church is soul saving station and God uses the medium of preaching/teaching and the operation of spiritual gifts (those listed in scripture) to accomplish these tasks.

I, for one, wouldn't take anything Reckart says too seriously. The guy is a little whacko, IMO.

I am a person who hasn't followed the traditional UPC standards for many years, yet I still believe in Acts 2:38 to the core and don't ever see that changing. It can be done.

It's called fruit! :)

And I just said he was a 'little whacko'.....LOL!!!

Didn't Thad "report" not to long ago that MG took over the church from her son?

BTW I agree that Reckart is not the best source for information. I have found misinformation in some of his writings

Not true, we asked her personally.

Thank you guys - I really appreciate it! God bless you all!

Ah ok....too bad though.

Maybe someday you could take the time to tell us how you really feel.

You might need to do some research on the medical and mental state of this guy - and then you will have a right to chastise me! You guys get on here and chastise everyone that is NOT just like you - and then when someone calls your hand and says that there is somebody that is totally off base - you want to make snide remarks. Have at it - I am up to it today! LOL

Uh....I think you jumped the gun. I thought he was being sarcastic, as if you weren't vocalizing enough....LOL!

:heeheehee :heeheehee :heeheehee

I think he already did.

Thad "report" here?

It has been light.

:ranting

I think it was at NFCF

Keith I'm glad you asked her but I don't think that was all of it.

you know she is always about protecting Richard at all cost.

that came from family back in Michigan .

Richard was reportedly going fulltime in the 'movie making ministry".



That church will never be what it was IMO> we use to fellowship that church in it's glory days and what marilyn had going was second to none.
really really sad

Good to see you posting!

Aren't we just a little BITTER:drawguns

If he is what you say he is, why are you giving credence to his ramblings?

I sure do not agree with Reckart and found it quite troubling he once said some things about me on his site but after I e mailed him he took it off his site...so I do appreciate him doing that. BUT I DO NOT believe like he believes.
Many people not only him but many people claim some special revelation from God...I think it makes them feel super spiritual and leds ungrounded people into some kind of thinking that their leader is jesus in the flesh...or something on that order...

good post! I got caught up into that stuff a few yrs ago.

Changing in dress code standards does not lead you into Apostasy....Period.

:ty

I always wondered how this guy chooses his targets. Does he come to these boards incogneto and look for victims?

What guy?
 

What guy are you referring to?

Reckhart

Im always hearing about how someone was a target of his....even Sis Alvear was on his list...weird

CENsORED

One of the chief tactics of the ultra-right apostolics is to tell everyone that once anyone takes ONE step away from "standards" that everything else is soon to fall and the next thing you know they end up in immorality. This could not be further from the truth. The truth is that when someone's love for Jesus Christ begins to wane, other things will soon fall and if they continue to remove moral stops from their lives, they will end up in a terrible fall.

This does happen from time to time, but it does NOT happen to everyone and this guy and others like him proclaim. It is a scare tactic, many times used to keep people from asking legitimate questions and shedding extra-biblical beliefs. Not all extra-biblical beliefs are bad, but when they are a condition of salvation, I believe it crosses the line into heresy. :D

I totally agree with you MOW. Many of us that were raised in the church have a foundation based on truth and not on the traditions of men.

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6

I'm thankful that I had a family that taught me the word of God.

It has been revealed to me by the Spirit that yoy may not like Reckart????

Out of the mouth of two witnesses...

My understanding is that Gary Reckart believes that Truth is absolute. Therefore if you are in any error at all, you cannot be right with God. If you fellowship error, you are just as guilty of that error that you fellowship. While I do not draw the line as tight as he does, I respect that he stand for what he believes.

I could easily say that some of you folks have made some very nasty harsh comments in you condemnation of this man that are close to equaling those comment you are condemning. The bible gives some good instruction when it says for each to check the beam in your own eye before helping someone with their mote.

I think you fail to understand the judgment Reckart places on all but himself. Some could say they respect Hitler for his adherence to what he truly believed… Such honor and respect however would be misplaced…

Such would be the case with Reckart – I make no link between the two men in anyway - but instead simply to say strict adherance and vehement belief is not always worthy of respect

My name has been found in his dissertations and condemnations, and I have never met the man – I think you at fault in your respect here, and misguided in your inspiration – check yourself Bro – The Pharisees where strong on what they believed all the way up to the crucifixion of our LORD – what did JESUS say of them – Vipers Brood I think

:highfive Good St. Matt........ I've heard of this man and even met him before. Okay, he's a lil out there, but some of the vile that has come out of ministers mouth here is disgusting. To call him a loser, and a liar, as men and women of God, we are supposed to be much better than this. Especially if he isn't here to defend himself.....Guess we are just the better class of losers when we can make those statements......IT is sad, really sad.

Hey Admin.....I think that I might have read a personally attack on here....just maybe....ya know calling someone a liar....etc......

This is so WRONG. I can't believe that admin let this vicious attack on a person slide without even a warning. Smacks of favoritism to me.