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bishopnl 11-06-2007 02:42 PM

Booker Letter
 
This might be old news, and I just missed it. If so, I apologize. Just wondered if anyone else had received this or seen this?

Dear Brother,

It is evident that we are in sad, tumultuous times. The vote for the acceptance of T.V. (which, as we all know, is really what it was) seems to have been 'the straw that broke the camel's back' for many, many people. I am amazed at the deep, heart felt response from so many that cannot and will not go in that direction. This speaks well for the many that still really want to do what's right. As for the UPC, truly, God only knows what this vote has brought upon it. As far as I'm concerned, it is a heartbreaking tragedy of immense proportions. However, I do know that the UPC will always have within its ranks some of the greatest people in the world.

But, yes, there definitely is a meeting, an 'Apostolic Summit' that is going to take place, and where a different direction will be offered. It will convene Thursday night, Jan. 24th and all day & night Friday the 25th. It will be held at the Green Country Convention Center, Tulsa, OK. There will be an announcement sent to every licensed minister in the UPC.

The men at present who are directly involved in this formation are thus far Johnny Godair, Kenny Godair, Floyd Odom, Crawford Coon, Nate Wilson and myself. We are resolved to go all the way and it seems that there is a host of others ready to do the same.

PLEASE believe me when I say that I AM NOT nor will I EVER be interested in another 'AMF' spirit and attitude. It has and has had many very good men in it, some of which are good friends, but too many within its ranks (not all, thank God) increasingly lent themselves to critical bombast until there is now basically nothing left.

God Bless,
You're a Good Man!
Hope to See You There,
LLB

Kutless 11-06-2007 02:44 PM

What a difference a Line can Make

bishopnl 11-06-2007 02:45 PM

Never mind. I see that it's already been posted here...Sorry....:blush

Praxeas 11-06-2007 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishopnl (Post 294777)
This might be old news, and I just missed it. If so, I apologize. Just wondered if anyone else had received this or seen this?

Dear Brother,

It is evident that we are in sad, tumultuous times. The vote for the acceptance of T.V. (which, as we all know, is really what it was)


wow...talk about an assumption. No wonder they are leaving. That is evidence of a closed, subjective mind. You can't reason with people like that

Quote:

As for the UPC, truly, God only knows what this vote has brought upon it.
Seems the tone of the letter is that Bro Booker knows or believes he knows...otherwise why all the hoopla? Why say God only knows?

Quote:

As far as I'm concerned, it is a heartbreaking tragedy of immense proportions. However, I do know that the UPC will always have within its ranks some of the greatest people in the world.
Well here you woul think that God only knows this...lol..we don't know what tomarrow holds

Quote:

But, yes, there definitely is a meeting, an 'Apostolic Summit' that is going to take place, and where a different direction will be offered. It will convene Thursday night, Jan. 24th and all day & night Friday the 25th. It will be held at the Green Country Convention Center, Tulsa, OK. There will be an announcement sent to every licensed minister in the UPC.
I wonder what that means by a different direction "being offered" when we were just told in another thread this meeting is not about leaving the UPC to persue other avenues?

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The men at present who are directly involved in this formation are thus far Johnny Godair, Kenny Godair, Floyd Odom, Crawford Coon, Nate Wilson and myself. We are resolved to go all the way and it seems that there is a host of others ready to do the same.
formation? Go all the way? Does this NOT sound like a meeting to break away?

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PLEASE believe me when I say that I AM NOT nor will I EVER be interested in another 'AMF' spirit and attitude. It has and has had many very good men in it, some of which are good friends, but too many within its ranks (not all, thank God) increasingly lent themselves to critical bombast until there is now basically nothing left.
AMF...another group that went their own way...not another one like theirs..it does seem to me that the purpose of this meeting is not just an exploration but intent ON breaking away no matter what


AmazingGrace 11-06-2007 03:43 PM

Would be really curious to see what the person who started that other thread has to say about this.

BoredOutOfMyMind 11-06-2007 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 294846)
Would be really curious to see what the person who started that other thread has to say about this.

Don't confuse the assumptions with facts!

Where is Pastor Poster on THIS thread?

Did he get spiritual and have midweek service tonight?!?!?

Ferd 11-06-2007 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 294851)
Don't confuse the assumptions with facts!

Where is Pastor Poster on THIS thread?

Did he get spiritual and have midweek service tonight?!?!?

is the implication here that PP isnt typically "spritual?

Ferd 11-06-2007 03:56 PM

The more important question is, is this letter really from LB?

SisBeezer 11-06-2007 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 294874)
The more important question is, is this letter really from LB?

thing i have wondered ever since i have seen this thread, why dont someone just pick up a phone and give LB a call and settle the matter?

Nahum 11-06-2007 04:01 PM

Old Paths said it is from Booker.

This is the same issue I was banned for speaking about. That's why I haven't posted on either thread too much.

Can I say it now?

It is very obvious that a couple of men on the other Tulsa thread were knowingly lying about this issue.

I don't understand what the big deal was.

It is now obvious that a new organization is soon to be a reality.

BoredOutOfMyMind 11-06-2007 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 294872)
is the implication here that PP isnt typically "spritual?

No, he posted this early this morning.
NO implication meant to be implied or inferred.


totally tic:bubble

pelathais 11-06-2007 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 294885)
Old Paths said it is from Booker.

This is the same issue I was banned for speaking about. That's why I haven't posted on either thread too much.

Can I say it now?

It is very obvious that a couple of men on the other Tulsa thread were knowingly lying about this issue.

I don't understand what the big deal was.

It is now obvious that a new organization is soon to be a reality.

I have seen attempts by so-called "Conservatives" on this board to deceive people recently. The post on another thread about the "UPCI official" and the "Tulsa coordinator" is an example of of this.

Ban me if you will, but the whole "Tulsa Summit" meeting is based upon deception and half truths and lying accusations. That is is how this crowd has operated for years. If you want specifics just check out the horror stories of the broken lives they have left in their wake.

tv1a 11-06-2007 04:22 PM

I'm waiting until Legal Larry is proven the author before commenting.

SoCaliUPC 11-06-2007 04:42 PM

Does anyone know LB that could call him or his church and verify if he is the LLB in the email that is being circulated to ministers across the UPC?

mizpeh 11-06-2007 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 294885)
Old Paths said it is from Booker.

This is the same issue I was banned for speaking about. That's why I haven't posted on either thread too much.

Can I say it now?

It is very obvious that a couple of men on the other Tulsa thread were knowingly lying about this issue.

I don't understand what the big deal was.

It is now obvious that a new organization is soon to be a reality.

When was the letter emailed? yesterday?

Nahum 11-06-2007 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 294962)
When was the letter emailed? yesterday?

I received it yesterday, but I think it was created before then.

BoredOutOfMyMind 11-06-2007 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 294909)
I have seen attempts by so-called "Conservatives" on this board to deceive people recently. The post on another thread about the "UPCI official" and the "Tulsa coordinator" is an example of of this.

Ban me if you will, but the whole "Tulsa Summit" meeting is based upon deception and half truths and lying accusations. That is is how this crowd has operated for years. If you want specifics just check out the horror stories of the broken lives they have left in their wake.

Like at Easter in 1982, when an official used the words "closing" and "permament" yet by the time two weeks went by that same official denied using such terms?!?!?

It could have been at GC there was not intent of formation, but there were others who have instead changed the course.

That does not change what was said to Steadfast at GC. Nor does it lessen the fact he heard it was not true from two parties themselves.

:stirpot

mizpeh 11-06-2007 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 294973)
I received it yesterday, but I think it was created before then.

Maybe Bro Booker is suddenly feeling a groundswell of support for a new org in the last few days? or maybe this was the plan all along. :bubble

It kind of reminds me of David and Absalom...

Nahum 11-06-2007 04:55 PM

I do know ministers and churches have already left.

I also think this may be a bit bigger than some had anticipated.

pelathais 11-06-2007 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 294923)
I'm waiting until Legal Larry is proven the author before commenting.

I hope no one is implying that the good men of the "Tulsa Summit" would forge LLB's sig on an email. http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/ima...ons/icon10.gif We know that none of these men have spread disinformation in the recent past, have they? http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/ima...ons/icon10.gif

Jack Shephard 11-06-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 294977)
Maybe Bro Booker is suddenly feeling a groundswell of support for a new org in the last few days? or maybe this was the plan all along. :bubble

It kind of reminds me of David and Absalom...

Can you say "Tale of Three Kings"

Which one is he??? David or Absalom?

chaotic_resolve 11-06-2007 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishopnl (Post 294777)
Dear Brother,

It is evident that we are in sad, tumultuous times. The vote for the acceptance of T.V. (which, as we all know, is really what it was) seems to have been 'the straw that broke the camel's back' for many, many people. I am amazed at the deep, heart felt response from so many that cannot and will not go in that direction. This speaks well for the many that still really want to do what's right. As for the UPC, truly, God only knows what this vote has brought upon it. As far as I'm concerned, it is a heartbreaking tragedy of immense proportions. However, I do know that the UPC will always have within its ranks some of the greatest people in the world.

But, yes, there definitely is a meeting, an 'Apostolic Summit' that is going to take place, and where a different direction will be offered. It will convene Thursday night, Jan. 24th and all day & night Friday the 25th. It will be held at the Green Country Convention Center, Tulsa, OK. There will be an announcement sent to every licensed minister in the UPC.

The men at present who are directly involved in this formation are thus far Johnny Godair, Kenny Godair, Floyd Odom, Crawford Coon, Nate Wilson and myself. We are resolved to go all the way and it seems that there is a host of others ready to do the same.

PLEASE believe me when I say that I AM NOT nor will I EVER be interested in another 'AMF' spirit and attitude. It has and has had many very good men in it, some of which are good friends, but too many within its ranks (not all, thank God) increasingly lent themselves to critical bombast until there is now basically nothing left.

God Bless,
You're a Good Man!
Hope to See You There,
LLB

I see a lot of words, but all I hear is . . . :blah :blah :blah

pelathais 11-06-2007 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 294981)
I do know ministers and churches have already left.

I also think this may be a bit bigger than some had anticipated.

It can get even bigger if people are swayed by some of the misinformation going around. That's why you see them being so cloy in their wording. They know they've got many fish on the line. Play it right and they might get many more to bite.

mizpeh 11-06-2007 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 294990)
Can you say "Tale of Three Kings"

Which one is he??? David or Absalom?

I've never read that book, but the coodinators remind me of Absalom in drawing the people after themselves with soft words behind the org's (David's) back.

BoredOutOfMyMind 11-06-2007 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 295017)
I've never read that book, but the coodinators remind me of Absalom in drawing people to themselves with soft words behind David's back.

63 pages that will change your life FOREVER.... if you let them.

Jack Shephard 11-06-2007 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 295017)
I've never read that book, but the coodinators remind me of Absalom in drawing the people after themselves with soft words behind the org's (David's) back.

READ IT!!!!!!! It is awesome!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 295020)
63 pages that will change your life FOREVER.... if you let them.

Finally Boomm something I agree with you on..lol. It is the best book I have ever read next to "To Kill a Mocking Bird"

BoredOutOfMyMind 11-06-2007 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 294975)
Like at Easter in 1982, when an official used the words "closing" and "permament" yet by the time two weeks went by that same official denied using such terms?!?!?

It could have been at GC there was not intent of formation, but there were others who have instead changed the course.

That does not change what was said to Steadfast at GC. Nor does it lessen the fact he heard it was not true from two parties themselves.

:stirpot

Bump for Pelathais

SDG 11-06-2007 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 294909)
I have seen attempts by so-called "Conservatives" on this board to deceive people recently. The post on another thread about the "UPCI official" and the "Tulsa coordinator" is an example of of this.

Ban me if you will, but the whole "Tulsa Summit" meeting is based upon deception and half truths and lying accusations. That is is how this crowd has operated for years. If you want specifics just check out the horror stories of the broken lives they have left in their wake.

BOB WOULD BE PROUD ...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...ob_conquer.jpg

Praxeas 11-06-2007 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 294973)
I received it yesterday, but I think it was created before then.

was the return address and the post office data from where he is at?

Praxeas 11-06-2007 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 295017)
I've never read that book, but the coodinators remind me of Absalom in drawing the people after themselves with soft words behind the org's (David's) back.

Awesome book I was just tellinga New Convert here to read it

pelathais 11-06-2007 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 295029)
Bump for Pelathais

Oh, sorry... I didn't know you wanted a response. Yes, Easter of 1882 was a tough time back on the farm. Most of the Crow warrior bands had gone to the reservation, not so much killing as there used to be just raiding and robbing.

Pa started on the frame house that spring. We had been living in the sod dugout up until then. Except the girls, they moved into the loft of the barn as soon as that was built.

Some itinerant Methodists come around from time to time and folks would go to the revivals. Of course there was no dancing allowed for several weeks after such a meeting. Pa's drinking became more secretive too. It was a tough winter - lots of cold but not enough snow. The cisterns in the bluffs are low and pasture for the cows will be sparse.

Well, that's the news from the farm.

SDG 11-06-2007 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 295047)
Oh, sorry... I didn't know you wanted a response. Yes, Easter of 1882 was a tough time back on the farm. Most of the Crow warrior bands had gone to the reservation, not so much killing as there used to be just raiding and robbing.

Pa started on the frame house that spring. We had been living in the sod dugout up until then. Except the girls, they moved into the loft of the barn as soon as that was built.

Some itinerant Methodists come around from time to time and folks would go to the revivals. Of course there was no dancing allowed for several weeks after such a meeting. Pa's drinking became more secretive too. It was a tough winter - lots of cold but not enough snow. The cisterns in the bluffs are low and pasture for the cows will be sparse.

Well, that's the news from the farm.

Don't know 'bout you but I miss the old sod domicile. They had a certain flavor.

http://history.grand-forks.k12.nd.us...s/frontier.jpg


http://www.delsjourney.com/images/cl..._Sod_House.jpg

Joseph Miller 11-06-2007 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 294984)
I hope no one is implying that the good men of the "Tulsa Summit" would forge LLB's sig on an email. http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/ima...ons/icon10.gif We know that none of these men have spread disinformation in the recent past, have they? http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/ima...ons/icon10.gif


As the former president would say, What is your definition of "disinformation"? :pirate


:runhills


:stirpot

mizpeh 11-06-2007 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 295017)
I've never read that book, but the coodinators remind me of Absalom in drawing the people after themselves with soft words behind the org's (David's) back.

The thing was noone suspected anything underhanded and maybe Absalom wasn't quite thinking he wanted to be king at first.

I'm going to order the book since you all speak so highly of it.:roseglasses

timlan2057 11-06-2007 06:16 PM

Like Troy, I'll withhold comment until and if this letter is proven to indeed be from "Loophole Larry."

If Booker did indeed write this, then I'll have several comments.

I don't keep up religiously (pardon the pun) with this board so someone PM me if it is proven beyond doubt that Booker wrote this.

pelathais 11-06-2007 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 295050)
Don't know 'bout you but I miss the old sod domicile. They had a certain flavor.

http://history.grand-forks.k12.nd.us...s/frontier.jpg


http://www.delsjourney.com/images/cl..._Sod_House.jpg

Just to (sorta) hijack the thread...

There was this old hermit that lived on the farm next to my grandparent's. This was 1960's and 1970's. He lived in a set of adobe structures. They had been built as several smaller homes and he just kind of "spread out" among them. He had a Windmill that provided electricity to his bard and a yard light. He had a small apple orchard and bee hives. No running water except in the spring when the snow melt from the hills behind our farms would be channeled down and into some pipes he had laid.

He was living like this while right across the road from us in a different kind of a "dugout" was the "Hammer of Hell" ICBM silo.

SDG 11-06-2007 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 295071)
Just to (sorta) hijack the thread...

There was this old hermit that lived on the farm next to my grandparent's. This was 1960's and 1970's. He lived in a set of adobe structures. They had been built as several smaller homes and he just kind of "spread out" among them. He had a Windmill that provided electricity to his bard and a yard light. He had a small apple orchard and bee hives. No running water except in the spring when the snow melt from the hills behind our farms would be channeled down and into some pipes he had laid.

He was living like this while right across the road from us in a different kind of a "dugout" was the "Hammer of Hell" ICBM silo.


Talk about a tale of two cities .... :donuts

pelathais 11-06-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 295075)
Talk about a tale of two cities .... :donuts

My kids don't believe I grew up in a "forest" of nukes. I'm going to have to take them out there some time. We were surrounded on all sides. The "Hammer of Hell" was a little over 1 mile from the house.

I used to get up each morning and look out across the field at it as I was sitting on the porch putting my boots on. I had dreams of all the missiles launching at once. Such an event would have filled the sky with the contrails and such. I've wondered how that helped to form my dispensational approach to the Bible.

SDG 11-06-2007 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 295079)
My kids don't believe I grew up in a "forest" of nukes. I'm going to have to take them out there some time. We were surrounded on all sides. The "Hammer of Hell" was a little over 1 mile from the house.

I used to get up each morning and look out across the field at it as I was sitting on the porch putting my boots on. I had dreams of all the missiles launching at once. Such an event would have filled the sky with the contrails and such. I've wondered how that helped to form my dispensational approach to the Bible.

Talk about trauma ... sheesh ...

from 9/11 until I left NY in Feb of 2006 ... I would have nightmares, from time to time, of further attacks on the city. Even though Houston would make for a prime target .... I haven't had those nightmares since I left.

mizpeh 11-06-2007 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlan2057 (Post 295068)
Like Troy, I'll withhold comment until and if this letter is proven to indeed be from "Loophole Larry."

If Booker did indeed write this, then I'll have several comments.

I don't keep up religiously (pardon the pun) with this board so someone PM me if it is proven beyond doubt that Booker wrote this.

Do you trust Old Paths say so?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...?t=9443&page=2


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