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Thad 11-13-2007 01:13 AM

SHOCKER!! PAW Min. TONEX embraces Carlton Pearson's Doctrine on TV show!!!!!
 
DId you hear that Gospel super Star and PAW Minister,TONEX

openly Defended Cartlton Pearson and has seemingly &/or allegedley embraced the same Doctrine ???

It was on a show called EXALTED on BET- They did a story on Carlton. TONEX was interviewed about the changes in CPs and spoke out in his defense saying that a lot of preachers are secretly agreeing with CP also but too afraid to come forward

bishoph 11-13-2007 01:59 AM

Tonex is an Apostolic train wreck! He has lived a very public questionable lifestyle and his father would never have endorsed such nonsense.

In some ways however this does not surprise me too much because there are some on this forum that seem to embrace the same ideology.

Thad 11-13-2007 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 300274)
Tonex is an Apostolic train wreck! He has lived a very public questionable lifestyle and his father would never have endorsed such nonsense.

In some ways however this does not surprise me too much because there are some on this forum that seem to embrace the same ideology.


embraces the inclusion doctrine ?? on AFF ???

who for instance ??

disciple 11-13-2007 07:42 AM

The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

SoCaliUPC 11-13-2007 10:56 AM

Tonex stated that those that publically put CP down, secretly embrace the doctrine that he is spewing out there.

Thad 11-13-2007 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by disciple (Post 300324)
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.


the PAW is not embracing this doctrine just TONEX - They all know he's gone nuts.

Sandra 11-13-2007 11:20 AM

Not a shocker, isn't he openly gay?

Thad 11-13-2007 11:32 AM

You can't broadbrush all of PAW with this Doctrine because of one person
although they have been going through a shaking. it doesn't have to do with this inclusion doctrine

bishoph 11-13-2007 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 300428)
Not a shocker, isn't he openly gay?

NO! He has pretty much denied all allegations for years. He recently made an "in passing" type statement that he had been delivered. Whatever that is supposed to imply.

Thad 11-13-2007 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 300540)
NO! He has pretty much denied all allegations for years. He recently made an "in passing" type statement that he had been delivered. Whatever that is supposed to imply.

Bishop Did you see that last video he came out with? it was FOWL and he made it very clear what side of the fence he was on

Neck 11-13-2007 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by disciple (Post 300324)
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Don't dip an entire group of people in the flames of hell.

seguidordejesus 11-13-2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 300548)
Bishop Did you see that last video he came out with? it was FOWL and he made it very clear what side of the fence he was on

What's the name of it?

stmatthew 11-13-2007 05:31 PM

Anyone that would use the language this man uses is not a Christian in any sense of the word.

Monkeyman 11-13-2007 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 300746)
Anyone that would use the language this man uses is not a Christian in any sense of the word.

Who, TONEX or Pearson?

Monkeyman 11-13-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 300428)
Not a shocker, isn't he openly gay?

TONEX???

stmatthew 11-13-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 300747)
Who, TONEX or Pearson?

Tonex

Monkeyman 11-13-2007 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 300755)
Tonex

When and where did he use offensive language? This is all new news to me!!!!!!

Praxeas 11-13-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 300264)
DId you hear that Gospel super Star and PAW Minister,TONEX

openly Defended Cartlton Pearson and has seemingly &/or allegedley embraced the same Doctrine ???

It was on a show called EXALTED on BET- They did a story on Carlton. TONEX was interviewed about the changes in CPs and spoke out in his defense saying that a lot of preachers are secretly agreeing with CP also but too afraid to come forward

I know Im gonna step on some toes....but who cares about Tonex anyways? In America we listen to a bunch of hair brained actors and rock musicians as though they are the real "thinkers" and we have idiots that follow them unquestioningly....

Do we do the same with some of these Christian music artists? Is Tonex a theologian?

stmatthew 11-13-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 300762)
When and where did he use offensive language? This is all new news to me!!!!!!

I can't remember where I heard his recent deal where he talkes about not being gay. It could have been YouTube. But he was cussing up a storm.

Praxeas 11-13-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 300275)
embraces the inclusion doctrine ?? on AFF ???

who for instance ??

Crak does

Praxeas 11-13-2007 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disciple (Post 300324)
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Wait a second. Carlton Pearson is NOT PAW and never was as far as I know. Tonex is just a recording artist and not a representative of the PAW

Praxeas 11-13-2007 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 300411)
Tonex stated that those that publically put CP down, secretly embrace the doctrine that he is spewing out there.

Can I say Tonex is an idiot without being accused of "preacher" bashing? Is he a preacher? That has got to be one of the dumbest and irresponsible statements I have seen in a while. How does he know? Does he read minds? lol

crakjak 11-13-2007 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 300767)
Crak does

Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.

Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.

Praxeas 11-13-2007 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 300777)
Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.

Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.

Not really...CP and you both believe EVERYONE eventually is saved

Quote:

A person who spends every day getting drunk, will ruin their health, marriage, family and career; they will make their lives a living Hell. But that still falls far short of the chronic alcoholic being condemned by a just God to literally burn in Hell forever and ever.

For others it may very well be that the punishment merited by their sins is greater than what they receive in this life. For those people perhaps there will be some kind of punishment after death, but we believe that it will be remedial and corrective rather than just punishment for punishment's sake. Exactly what that will be and how long it will last we don't know. Will Hell for some people last 10 minutes or 10 million years... we don't know. But this we do know; Hell will not last for eternity; it will not be endless... Don't sin. Be reunited with God now, rather than after you have put yourself (and those you love) through Hell.
http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm

bishoph 11-13-2007 07:07 PM

The sad reality is that Tonex is a pastor. He assumed the pastorate of his fathers (the late District Elder Anthony C. Williams) church. (Truth Apostolic Community Church) This is a church that has had an "accepting" attitude for some time, that was only somewhat checked by D/E Williams, when he passed, under Tonex's leadership there is no restraint. IMO

crakjak 11-13-2007 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 300783)
Not really...CP and you both believe EVERYONE eventually is saved


http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm



Quote:
A person who spends every day getting drunk, will ruin their health, marriage, family and career; they will make their lives a living Hell. But that still falls far short of the chronic alcoholic being condemned by a just God to literally burn in Hell forever and ever.

For others it may very well be that the punishment merited by their sins is greater than what they receive in this life. For those people perhaps there will be some kind of punishment after death, but we believe that it will be remedial and corrective rather than just punishment for punishment's sake. Exactly what that will be and how long it will last we don't know. Will Hell for some people last 10 minutes or 10 million years... we don't know. But this we do know; Hell will not last for eternity; it will not be endless... Don't sin. Be reunited with God now, rather than after you have put yourself (and those you love) through Hell.
http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm

There are certainly some areas of agreement, and with this quote I certainly do agree.

However, CP appears to embrace those that are living in blatant sin in the fellowship of believers, I believe the scriptures teach us to separate from those that walk in open rebellion against the principles of holiness. Those that are seeking deliverance and freedom from ungodly lifestyles are a different matter.

chaotic_resolve 11-13-2007 10:46 PM

It's a sad deal with Tonex. A friend of mine attended a church where Tonex preached a few years ago - right before the "Out the Box" cd came out. He said Tonex was tough on Acts 238, the oneness and also slammed "fake" preachers who live one way behind the pulpit and another way when not behind it. He also came down hard on homosexuals in the apostolic church.

Then came "Out the Box" and I think he got too big for his own good. Kind of like Kirk Franklin. Couldn't handle the fame.

Now I see Tonex on YouTube cursing and being exactly the "minister" he condemned before.

Sad. And what's even more so is he's still sought after to preach and sing at churches around the country.

seguidordejesus 11-13-2007 10:50 PM

All this talk about Tonex cursing...is it the b_ _ _ _ _d word we're talkign about, or is he being really vulgar somewhere else?

Praxeas 11-13-2007 11:28 PM

It's called "The Naked Truth" and it is a profanity laced tirade where he even talks about having acts 2:38 tatooed on his arm but spits out profanity after profanity

Thad 11-13-2007 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 300955)
All this talk about Tonex cursing...is it the b_ _ _ _ _d word we're talkign about, or is he being really vulgar somewhere else?


It's worse then that- i wouldn't even be appropriate to post the link.

In it he also admits to being Gay

SoCaliUPC 11-14-2007 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 300806)
The sad reality is that Tonex is a pastor. He assumed the pastorate of his fathers (the late District Elder Anthony C. Williams) church. (Truth Apostolic Community Church) This is a church that has had an "accepting" attitude for some time, that was only somewhat checked by D/E Williams, when he passed, under Tonex's leadership there is no restraint. IMO

Very true!

Jekyll 11-14-2007 01:13 AM

Is there any question what kind of a fraud STonex is?? What a Christian example of spreading the gospel...:(

Thad 11-14-2007 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 300806)
The sad reality is that Tonex is a pastor. He assumed the pastorate of his fathers (the late District Elder Anthony C. Williams) church. (Truth Apostolic Community Church) This is a church that has had an "accepting" attitude for some time, that was only somewhat checked by D/E Williams, when he passed, under Tonex's leadership there is no restraint. IMO



Bishop There's a lot of strrrrrrrrange things going up in there.
Tonex and his mom have ran a lot of the members away with all the Nutty practices they have brought into the church. The PAW Bishop has tried to intervene to no avail.

after he put out that last video, i don't see how anyone could stay in that church

Thad 11-14-2007 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 301000)
Is there any question what kind of a fraud STonex is?? What a Christian example of spreading the gospel...:(


I heard him preach about 3-4 years in Philadelphia- He was AWESOME.
I really cannot understand what happend to him- a lot of people are scratching their Heads wondering the same thing

Thad 11-14-2007 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 300768)
Wait a second. Carlton Pearson is NOT PAW and never was as far as I know. Tonex is just a recording artist and not a representative of the PAW


Carlton Pearson grew up COGIC and remained in good standing with them until he went wacky. after which , the renounced him as a Heretic

Thad 11-14-2007 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 300777)
Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.

Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.


So, what happens while they are being pruned, purged, purified ?
what's the process ??? and what happens when that ends ?

Jekyll 11-14-2007 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 301002)
I heard him preach about 3-4 years in Philadelphia- He was AWESOME.
I really cannot understand what happend to him- a lot of people are scratching their Heads wondering the same thing

Are you kidding me??? After suffering through 5 minutes of one of his DVDs this stuff is not surprising. It doesn't take anyone super spiritual to see this guy was a glory freak, a star seeker, a player to the crowd. Every genre/generation has its dudes that "tell it like it is...," and in the end they lose it because they are planted in the stony ground.

Not scratchin my head...

Thad 11-14-2007 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 301006)
Are you kidding me??? After suffering through 5 minutes of one of his DVDs this stuff is not surprising. It doesn't take anyone super spiritual to see this guy was a glory freak, a star seeker, a player to the crowd. Every genre/generation has its dudes that "tell it like it is...," and in the end they lose it because they are planted in the stony ground.

Not scratchin my head...


He was not like this when his Dad was alive.

Jekyll 11-14-2007 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 301008)
He was not like this when his Dad was alive.

Yeah, life stinks sometimes...but is this an excuse to go off the deep end? :nah

Thad 11-14-2007 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 301013)
Yeah, life stinks sometimes...but is this an excuse to go off the deep end? :nah


Making No Excuses whatsoever- just telling you how it went down


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