Nathan Morton Announces he's Leaving UPC
 

the son of Elder Vaughn Morton,Pastor Nathan Morton, is also leaving the UPC. he is a pastor in Chico,CA.

I got 2 emails when i got home tonight stating the same thing

Secret Warrior,

Here's what i was told- A couple of weeks ago they had a private church board meeting and they changed their name from "Truth Tabernacle of Chico" to "Truth Church". This is usually the first step to disaffiliate from the section so that when the pastor gives up his UPC license he will be able to remain there..... Is it not ???

An affiliated church MUST have the words "United Pentecostal Church" somewhere on the sign... I do not believe there are any other stipulations/requirements when it comes to naming. I assume that the name would need to be removed if the church was disaffiliated... and obviously the church must be disaffiliated before the pastor could drop his creds so that he doesn't lose the church (or at least the building)... might be funny if the UPC tried to force the issue on someone and they said, Fine, here's the empty building, the keys and the mortgage coupon booklet, the people have decided to come with me. lol.

What would happen if the district denied the dissaffiliation request. I think they should. Then people like CC in ONtario would have to really get out and find his own Church and not use the one that was given to him by the UPCI.

No suprise the NM is getting out as well. IF pappa is getting out he has to follow suit.

If the church follows the preceedure to disaffiliate:

Call a business meeting--announcing it 3 times in ten days...

Invite the district officials (usually the super and preby) to be there and speak....

Vote on it with the district officials overseeing the vote....

Majority wins yea or nay....

Then it cannot be denied...disaffiliation is the choice of the voting members of the church ...not the district or organizaton....

C-ya! :wave

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Hello........I know this post was about 3years ago but I just want to say that In my opinion I think He is eventually going to come back....Pastor Morton is letting evrything slip in his church....it's quite sad....

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What does that mean?

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I just heard him preach at AMC.

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Is any of this really news?

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What are you talking about? Are you a member of his church?

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He's letting everything slip. I mean, his women have been seen shedding the pantyhose in public. Bare legs! Can you imagine! *GASP*

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Well, seeing bare legs in public wouldn't bother me.

If they are shedding or taking off those pantyhose in public, that might be a shocker for the eyes.

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Out here in AZ our hockey team is in the playoffs and the team along with many radio sports casters are going without shaving until they lose out or win the title. Well there are female radio new anchors that are not shaving their legs so they can go along with this. Now tell me that ain't weird. Them legs might be a bother after a while wouldn't ya say?

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LOL

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:ursofunnyBump!!!

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Sis. Huanosto,

Can you say what you mean specificially by he "is letting everything slip in his church"? I assume you mean standards? If so in what way?

I was assuming he left the UPC to go further conservative and join the WPF so I was surprised to see your post.

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Even some in the WPF are too liberal for some people.

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Isn't it true that most affiliated churches are affiliated because they took Home Missions money to help start, build and expand the church.

If that were not the case in the starting of this or any church the UPC would have no legal standing to force the church against the will of the church board. All Nathan Morton would need to do is turn in his card with the UPC and pastor the church.

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Yes. Many churches that took some money became the chew toy of many a district superintendent who had a nephew who was coming off the evangelism trail.

One of my uncles sacrificed for years in poverty to start a church in Minnesota. The DS relative moved into town to help him out. As soon as the building was built my uncle was voted out by a large family block and not a word could be said. My uncle is still UPCI and started another church elsewhere in MN.. but its still kinda evil.

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Nakedstat,

Yup you are correct. To receive Home Missions money you have to have the church affiliated. I know an exUPC pastor whose UPC Home Missions church on the East Coast had a dickens of a time when they wanted to leave the Mothership. He told me he had to pay the UPC money (I assume what they had put in the work) to be able to disaffiliate.

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1. I personally know Pastor Morton, and he is an Honorable man. He has not once, that I can recall, ever slandered, accused, pointed fingers, etc, and any other preacher/pastor that has Stayed in the UPC.

2. Who cares if he has left the UPCI organization? Do you think that the UPCI is the ONLY church that will be the "End Time Church". Even in the Apostolic Times, you had those the Cried "I follow Paul" or "I Follow Peter" when they should be crying "I Follow Christ".

The way I was taught was to follow the order of convictions.

A. Biblical Word of God - The Apostolic Plan of Salvation, Holiness Living, and Oneness Theology. This is your foundation, the Chief Cornerstone being Jesus Christ.
B. Your Pastors Preaching, Teaching, and Instructions.
C. Your own personal convictions placed on you by the Holy Ghost.

Biblical ones CAN NOT and WILL NOT Change. However, God has given each church a Pastor (sheapard) to lead and guide them into truth. So remember, that a pastor has their own personal convictions for their chuch, and have spirits that his church/city may be fighting and need further fencing to protect his flock. He has the biblical right to implement Standards and Barriers that are above and beyond what the bible specifically states.

Next you follow your own convections that the Holy Ghost has placed upon you. These are for YOUR OWN SALVATION! This is where "work out your own salvation" comes in. This should and does not lower the standards below what your Pastor preaches or teaches, but can expand upon and go beyond it. As an example, you may not eat at a restaurant that has a bar as the main focus (Apple Bees, TGIF, etc) but others of your same congregations might (even your pastor) not have an issue eating there. This is a personal conviction that might be given to you by the Holy Ghost. Who knows, the devil may in the future, tempt you in those locations, and GOD is building a hedge around you.

I believe this is where some Apostolic/Pentecostal/Oneness people (along with other holiness movements) have failed to understand. Follow the teachings of your own pastor, and the convictions that the Holy Ghost has placed upon you and this will work out for the betterment of your walk with God.

If I recall correctly, back in the 1930's when Radio was first becoming popular, it was highly taught against in most Apostolic Churches. However later the started using it to Broadcast "Harvesttime Radio" (UPCI) and the thoughts about radio altered over the course of 30+ years, to where now it is not even brought up or even remembered by most. Along the way you had those who thought that the fellow pastors were back sliding, and left the organization. Why, because it was one pastors "personal conviction" over something that is not stated in specifically in the bible, but the pastor was fighting a spirit in own his church/city.

I would like to add that Speaking ill of Gods anointed, wither they be UPC, ALJC, WPF, COOLJC etc. is un-biblical and you are endangering yourself to a spirit of rebellion. Remember Cora. If they are not following Gods will, then GOD will rebuke them. But "touch not my anointed".

If/When I were to attend a WPF church, I will follow the teachings and leadership of the Pastor. Until then, it is not my place to concern myself with church "politics" and neither should it be yours either.

Let us remember that the ONLY way to Salvation is through Faith in Jesus Christ. Let us follow our Pastor as he follows Christ.

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Talk about a delayed response!

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Seen this goofy line of reasoning a time or two. What kind of nut thinks his pastor's teaching is on par with the Bible?

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I think his point was, follow the pastor as the pastor follows Christ.

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Isn't it RCC dogma that when the pope speaks ex cathedra he is granted infallibility and his words are on par with scripture? Also that the findings of the councils are are as binding as scripture?

Papal infallibility is the dogma in Roman Catholic theology that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation. It is also taught that the Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidelium, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible will be received by all Catholics. This dogma, however, does not state either that the Pope cannot sin in his own personal life or that he is necessarily free of error, even when speaking in his official capacity, outside the specific contexts in which the dogma applies.

This same idea is some times applied to a pastor in some of the Apostolic/Pentecostal groups.

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No, it is just plain nutty. Pastor can impose whatever he wants on the church, to fence it in. You can't tell the pastor he is wrong because that is toughing God's anointed. blah blah blah

Like every other cult in the world, don't question the leader.

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And isn't it funny that they hate the Catholic church so much?

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I took it to mean, follow the pastor's biblical teachings. You took it another way.

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we claim to be anti-Catholic but teach the same thing found in the notes of the Douay (Roman Catholic) Bible at John 3:5 that "born of water" means "water baptism."

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I assume that you are referring to Psalms 105:15 - "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm". I suppose the context of Scripture must mean something and this does not apply at all to a 'minister'.

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Although the Holy Ghost leads us into all truth.

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Dave, what's going on my friend?

Context means nothing until the pastor says it does.

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He sure has led us into differing denominations and organizations and doctrines.

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Many denominations share things in common.

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If that were the only parallel I guess it wouldn't be too bad but this infallible pastor nonsense where you have hundreds of little popes and they are all right even when they contradict one another, because they are ruling their own little kingdom.

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I never said any pastor is infallible. In fact I stated that if a pastor leads his flock astray, then it is the LORDs right to rebuke him and none else.

And as I was neither Defending nor Accusing Pastor Morton, I can see how your spirit is (not your spirit personally, but those who slander and point fingers).

I personally have family on BOTH sides of the issue. From VERY Conservative to Very Liberal, but it comes down to following YOUR pastor at the church YOU attend, and YOU should not worry about anyone else but YOURSELF.

How can you remove the splinter from your bothers eye, when you have a beam sticking out yours?

This forums should be used to discuss biblical scripture and not bash any organization, person, or belief. As what I stated, defended BOTH sides of the isle on their beliefs, however you took me to be a puppet of one side - which I am not.

It is sad to see the "Apostolics" turn on themselves. It has become even greater with the advent of "Apostolic Forums". I have been around the Apostolic Forums in one way or another since 1992. And the seething has only gotten worse.

Let us embrace the Apostolic Plan of salvation and follow Christ.

"Follow me, as I follow Christ". "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".

God Bless

PS. Just to clearify,
1. Your pastor does not save you, however, rebellion against your pastor can/will send you to hell. So for myself, as long as I attend a church, I will follow that pastors teaching (Be it, UPCI, WPF, etc). Wither it be about, sleeve length, TV, Internet, Movies, Sports, or anything else.
2. A hedge is not placed to keep people in, but to keep Satan out.
3. “Speak ill of no man, but speak all the good you know of everybody” - Ben Franklin.
4. Follow the rule of convictions and you will be safe. Bible > Pastor > Personal. This is the way I was taught and explained by my father, who learned it from his grandmother, who was around in the early 1900's.

@ReformedDave - David actually said that about Saul. He would not kill Saul, because he was still the Anointed of God, even though he had fallen astray.

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What if the pastor tells you that you can't use facebook, must be clean shaven, must wear sleaves at x-length, etc.. etc. How is this pastor following Jesus?

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The last bold statement is proof you think your pastor is your pope.