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leftcoast1 03-11-2021 11:13 PM

Sons Inheriting Churches from Fathers $$$
 
Something needs to be said about this.

When did a church become a family business to pass down to your children?

Recently in Oregon, Jesse Parker at Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Lagrande installed his son as pastor. This guy has been arrested 5 times in the last 6 years. I get it. People change. But maybe he needs a few years at a qualified seminary before being asked to lead a flock?

If I was a long time tithe paying member of this church, I would be going else where. Something smells fishy about this. I guess these churches are too profitable to just hand off to someone who might be a qualified pastor and offer a semblance of oversight and accountability. Did the church members even have a vote?

When will the unqualified acts of nepotism stop? Hunter Biden might as well be VP.

I don’t live in the area and I have no association but this is not fair to the faithful members of this congregation.

https://www.ucmugshots.com/name/jame...parker?match=1

TJJJ 03-12-2021 05:43 AM

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And how dare Jess give it to someone else and not you! C'mon man, if it's not of God then it won't matter, if God is in it then it will. Period. That church has a board of elders who had to approve it, apparently they didn't see it like you. Roll on and find another place to Pastor so you can do the same thing when you retire.

TJJJ 03-12-2021 05:45 AM

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That's why he has a board of elders and the government of the assembly ratified it. You don't have to agree with it but you don't matter in this issue.

Originalist 03-12-2021 07:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1601765)
And how dare Jess give it to someone else and not you! C'mon man, if it's not of God then it won't matter, if God is in it then it will. Period. That church has a board of elders who had to approve it, apparently they didn't see it like you. Roll on and find another place to Pastor so you can do the same thing when you retire.

The board of elders in most Apostolic churches is a rubber stamp for the pastor wishes.

Originalist 03-12-2021 07:48 AM

Re: Sons Inheriting Churches from Fathers $$$
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601764)
Something needs to be said about this.

When did a church become a family business to pass down to your children?

Recently in Oregon, Jesse Parker at Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Lagrande installed his son as pastor. This guy has been arrested 5 times in the last 6 years. I get it. People change. But maybe he needs a few years at a qualified seminary before being asked to lead a flock?

If I was a long time tithe paying member of this church, I would be going else where. Something smells fishy about this. I guess these churches are too profitable to just hand off to someone who might be a qualified pastor and offer a semblance of oversight and accountability. Did the church members even have a vote?

When will the unqualified acts of nepotism stop? Hunter Biden might as well be VP.

I donít live in the area and I have no association but this is not fair to the faithful members of this congregation.

https://www.ucmugshots.com/name/jame...parker?match=1


Oneness churches are the worst on this kind of thing. But Assemblies of God ain't far behind. That is one thing I admire about the Southern Baptists. They even the playing field for those seeking a church.

consapente89 03-12-2021 08:35 AM

Re: Sons Inheriting Churches from Fathers $$$
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601764)
Something needs to be said about this.

When did a church become a family business to pass down to your children?

Recently in Oregon, Jesse Parker at Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Lagrande installed his son as pastor. This guy has been arrested 5 times in the last 6 years. I get it. People change. But maybe he needs a few years at a qualified seminary before being asked to lead a flock?

If I was a long time tithe paying member of this church, I would be going else where. Something smells fishy about this. I guess these churches are too profitable to just hand off to someone who might be a qualified pastor and offer a semblance of oversight and accountability. Did the church members even have a vote?

When will the unqualified acts of nepotism stop? Hunter Biden might as well be VP.

I donít live in the area and I have no association but this is not fair to the faithful members of this congregation.

https://www.ucmugshots.com/name/jame...parker?match=1

No association? Never attended Elder Parkerís meeting? Yeah something does smell fishy....this post. Sounds like something a disgruntled preacher would post. Besides that, all liars will have their part...get a prayer life and get over it.

consapente89 03-12-2021 08:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1601766)
That's why he has a board of elders and the government of the assembly ratified it. You don't have to agree with it but you don't matter in this issue.

:thumbsup

leftcoast1 03-12-2021 08:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1601766)
That's why he has a board of elders and the government of the assembly ratified it. You don't have to agree with it but you don't matter in this issue.

Even if he has a board of directors, they would be too afraid to vote him down. That how is how they got there in the first place. Kim Jung Un has advisors as well, look what happened to the last one that told him no...

Nicodemus1968 03-12-2021 09:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1601771)
No association? Never attended Elder Parkerís meeting? Yeah something does smell fishy....this post. Sounds like something a disgruntled preacher would post. Besides that, all liars will have their part...get a prayer life and get over it.

:nuke

leftcoast1 03-12-2021 09:36 AM

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No one has to be disgruntled to call out religious corruption.

Nicodemus1968 03-12-2021 09:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601778)
No one has to be disgruntled to call out religious corruption.

I copied and txted your post to an elder that is good friends with Bro. Jesse Parker. In fact, this elder is the one that started the church in Lagrande and handed over the reins to Bro. Parker.

leftcoast1 03-12-2021 10:16 AM

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Does he have a board with voting privileges made up of members who ATTEND his church?

Bro Flame 03-12-2021 11:37 AM

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I know of several churches that seem to have been passed down through the generations, and just as many that have found others capable of pastoring and leading a congregation on in Biblical truths.

Almost all of the churches that I know of that have been handed down the generations seem to have backslid and changed their doctrine. But that isn't necessarily the fault of the new leadership, that's something the former leaders condoned beforehand. Silence is permission.

There is a rather large church I know of in Florida where the elder and his wife turned their congregation over to another preacher and his wife some two years ago. This preacher nor his wife are related to them, but they are good people that will carry on what the elder taught and stood for.

navygoat1998 03-12-2021 01:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1601770)
Oneness churches are the worst on this kind of thing. But Assemblies of God ain't far behind.

Yep I agree, I am willing to bet the AG and Oneness churched might be neck in neck.

navygoat1998 03-12-2021 01:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro Flame (Post 1601788)
I know of several churches that seem to have been passed down through the generations, and just as many that have found others capable of pastoring and leading a congregation on in Biblical truths.

Almost all of the churches that I know of that have been handed down the generations seem to have backslid and changed their doctrine. But that isn't necessarily the fault of the new leadership, that's something the former leaders condoned beforehand. Silence is permission.

There is a rather large church I know of in Florida where the elder and his wife turned their congregation over to another preacher and his wife some two years ago. This preacher nor his wife are related to them, but they are good people that will carry on what the elder taught and stood for.

Would that have been the Pentecostals of Gainesville?

navygoat1998 03-12-2021 01:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1601779)
I copied and txted your post to an elder that is good friends with Bro. Jesse Parker. In fact, this elder is the one that started the church in Lagrande and handed over the reins to Bro. Parker.

:bolt

Originalist 03-12-2021 05:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro Flame (Post 1601788)
I know of several churches that seem to have been passed down through the generations, and just as many that have found others capable of pastoring and leading a congregation on in Biblical truths.

Almost all of the churches that I know of that have been handed down the generations seem to have backslid and changed their doctrine. But that isn't necessarily the fault of the new leadership, that's something the former leaders condoned beforehand. Silence is permission.

There is a rather large church I know of in Florida where the elder and his wife turned their congregation over to another preacher and his wife some two years ago. This preacher nor his wife are related to them, but they are good people that will carry on what the elder taught and stood for.

But that was only because none of his sons wanted the church.

Nicodemus1968 03-12-2021 05:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1601779)
I copied and txted your post to an elder that is good friends with Bro. Jesse Parker. In fact, this elder is the one that started the church in Lagrande and handed over the reins to Bro. Parker.

According to the Elder.

His son was out of church when those offensives were done. He has not been in jail or trouble with the law for about 5 years. He has recently been married with 2 very young children. He has been preaching in the local assembly, the local church is behind the transition, they have experienced growth and excitement.

Just like Tjjj said, if God is not behind this, it will fail.

consapente89 03-12-2021 08:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1601799)
According to the Elder.

His son was out of church when those offensives were done. He has not been in jail or trouble with the law for about 5 years. He has recently been married with 2 very young children. He has been preaching in the local assembly, the local church is behind the transition, they have experienced growth and excitement.

Just like Tjjj said, if God is not behind this, it will fail.

And some devil thinks itís a good idea to come posting on here and bring up a good brotherís past and post pics of his pre-conversion mugshots. An absolutely despicable devilish thing to do! I have never met Elder Parker personally, but know him to be nothing but an upstanding man of God who is facing very serious health concerns. If God isnít behind this, certainly it will fail but this thread will still have been inspired out of the pits of hell!

Tithesmeister 03-12-2021 08:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601764)
Something needs to be said about this.

When did a church become a family business to pass down to your children?

Recently in Oregon, Jesse Parker at Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Lagrande installed his son as pastor. This guy has been arrested 5 times in the last 6 years. I get it. People change. But maybe he needs a few years at a qualified seminary before being asked to lead a flock?

If I was a long time tithe paying member of this church, I would be going else where. Something smells fishy about this. I guess these churches are too profitable to just hand off to someone who might be a qualified pastor and offer a semblance of oversight and accountability. Did the church members even have a vote?

When will the unqualified acts of nepotism stop? Hunter Biden might as well be VP.

I donít live in the area and I have no association but this is not fair to the faithful members of this congregation.

https://www.ucmugshots.com/name/jame...parker?match=1

In regards to the bold italics: If you think about the OT example of Samuel and his sons, it was actually that Samuel made his sons judges. So itís been happening for thousands of years at least.

1Sam.8

[1] And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.
[2] Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beer-sheba.

So nepotism is certainly not new. Neither is people being upset about it.


[3] And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.
[4] Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
[5] And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

So . . . It seems that some believe itís based on O T law. To be fair, it doesnít always happen that a pastor passes the church to their son.

Sometimes they donít have a son. In this case they often pass the church to their son in law. :heeheehee

leftcoast1 03-12-2021 11:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1601802)
And some devil thinks itís a good idea to come posting on here and bring up a good brotherís past and post pics of his pre-conversion mugshots. An absolutely despicable devilish thing to do! I have never met Elder Parker personally, but know him to be nothing but an upstanding man of God who is facing very serious health concerns. If God isnít behind this, certainly it will fail but this thread will still have been inspired out of the pits of hell!

Why not conduct a serious pastoral search vs. installing your son who has ZERO experience and lack of seminary education? This was a knee jerk decision to keep the $$ flowing in the family. Zero oversight and now these poor saints will suffer. Iím sure they are great people. Never met the guy but there is no way the general church body was consulted. At least ship him down to Wilsonís Bible school for a few years to see if he will complete something.

consapente89 03-13-2021 05:10 AM

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Alright. Anything said is over your head. You can’t wrap your brain around the fact that it’s simply none of your business. Too bad you weren’t consulted I guess. If you want to do something about religious corruption, start working on the guy in the mirror, because you’re full of it man. I’m done here.

Michael The Disciple 03-13-2021 05:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601806)
Why not conduct a serious pastoral search vs. installing your son who has ZERO experience and lack of seminary education? This was a knee jerk decision to keep the $$ flowing in the family. Zero oversight and now these poor saints will suffer. Iím sure they are great people. Never met the guy but there is no way the general church body was consulted. At least ship him down to Wilsonís Bible school for a few years to see if he will complete something.

Seminary education is not necessarily a good thing.

TJJJ 03-13-2021 07:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1601771)
No association? Never attended Elder Parkerís meeting? Yeah something does smell fishy....this post. Sounds like something a disgruntled preacher would post. Besides that, all liars will have their part...get a prayer life and get over it.

Yeah, that's what I figured also. Ol lefty is either a person in that district who is jealous of La Grande or he has family there who is feeding him. His posting speaks against him.

Guys like that rail against others and then turn around and do that or worse.

jediwill83 03-13-2021 09:21 AM

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Posts like this is why Saul needed to change his name to Paul.

Tithesmeister 03-13-2021 03:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1601765)
And how dare Jess give it to someone else and not you! C'mon man, if it's not of God then it won't matter, if God is in it then it will. Period. That church has a board of elders who had to approve it, apparently they didn't see it like you. Roll on and find another place to Pastor so you can do the same thing when you retire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1601766)
That's why he has a board of elders and the government of the assembly ratified it. You don't have to agree with it but you don't matter in this issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1601771)
No association? Never attended Elder Parkerís meeting? Yeah something does smell fishy....this post. Sounds like something a disgruntled preacher would post. Besides that, all liars will have their part...get a prayer life and get over it.

Well. . .

It seems like yíall have it figured out!

Leftcoast1? Would you like to verify that you are indeed a preacher? And that you aspired to pastor this church?

The implication is that you are a liar. Could you respond to these accusations?

As far as his opinion mattering, or not, a preacher should have a sound reputation, within as well as without the church. His opinion matters. Not as much as the members opinions. But still . . .

In what world does the opinion of the brethren not matter? I donít think this opinion stands up to the scripture.

Originalist 03-13-2021 07:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1601799)
According to the Elder.

His son was out of church when those offensives were done. He has not been in jail or trouble with the law for about 5 years. He has recently been married with 2 very young children. He has been preaching in the local assembly, the local church is behind the transition, they have experienced growth and excitement.

Just like Tjjj said, if God is not behind this, it will fail.

It all depends on what you call "failure."

leftcoast1 03-13-2021 09:36 PM

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The goal of this thread is not to disparage any one person. When I discovered this specific case, I felt it was important to shed some light on a real problem in Apostolic churches; the founding Pastor treating the church like it is a personal business to pass down to the next generation.

If finances are not a strong motivating factor, why make such a quick move towards installing your son as pastor? Even if, God forbid, Elder Parker passes away tomorrow, let the church board conduct a thorough and thoughtful Pastoral search. Setting some of Parker Jr's misgivings aside, it would still be highly inappropriate and somewhat disingenuous to some of the long term saints to install your son as Pastor with no formal leadership experience.

Some of you have been playing the same fiddle for years and I get that. Any time someone speaks out against the status quo, this person must be disgruntled or has a bone to pick. Think out side the box for five seconds and you just might agree with me. . . secretly of course.

Tithesmeister 03-13-2021 10:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601827)
The goal of this thread is not to disparage any one person. When I discovered this specific case, I felt it was important to shed some light on a real problem in Apostolic churches; the founding Pastor treating the church like it is a personal business to pass down to the next generation.

If finances are not a strong motivating factor, why make such a quick move towards installing your son as pastor? Even if, God forbid, Elder Parker passes away tomorrow, let the church board conduct a thorough and thoughtful Pastoral search. Setting some of Parker Jr's misgivings aside, it would still be highly inappropriate and somewhat disingenuous to some of the long term saints to install your son as Pastor with no formal leadership experience.

Some of you have been playing the same fiddle for years and I get that. Any time someone speaks out against the status quo, this person must be disgruntled or has a bone to pick. Think out side the box for five seconds and you just might agree with me. . . secretly of course.

It is the age-old question.

Is that he pastor Godís gift to the church?

Or is the church Godís gift to the pastor?

I know we call it Brother So&Soís church. But isnít it supposed to be Godís church?
And werenít the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers given to the church? (Godís gift to the church?)

Sometimes it seems we have it backwards. The pastor is given to the church, right?

Not the church given to the pastor.

Nicodemus1968 03-14-2021 05:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1601817)
Well. . .

It seems like yíall have it figured out!

Leftcoast1? Would you like to verify that you are indeed a preacher? And that you aspired to pastor this church?

The implication is that you are a liar. Could you respond to these accusations?

As far as his opinion mattering, or not, a preacher should have a sound reputation, within as well as without the church. His opinion matters. Not as much as the members opinions. But still . . .

In what world does the opinion of the brethren not matter? I donít think this opinion stands up to the scripture.

Commenting in the bold red text.

I agree with you.

Yet, are you implying, that this young preacher doesnít have a sound reputation? Did he have trouble with the law years ago? Yes he did, leftcoast even provided pictures (mugshots) for all of us to see.

Yet, the founding Apostle to that church said, he hasnít been in trouble ever since 2016. Furthermore, he didnít start preaching right away after he was released from jail. He wasn't used in the ďpulpit ministryĒ for 4-5 years after. He was used in other forms of leadership roles.

Nicodemus1968 03-14-2021 05:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601827)
The goal of this thread is not to disparage any one person. When I discovered this specific case, I felt it was important to shed some light on a real problem in Apostolic churches; the founding Pastor treating the church like it is a personal business to pass down to the next generation.

If finances are not a strong motivating factor, why make such a quick move towards installing your son as pastor? Even if, God forbid, Elder Parker passes away tomorrow, let the church board conduct a thorough and thoughtful Pastoral search. Setting some of Parker Jr's misgivings aside, it would still be highly inappropriate and somewhat disingenuous to some of the long term saints to install your son as Pastor with no formal leadership experience.

Some of you have been playing the same fiddle for years and I get that. Any time someone speaks out against the status quo, this person must be disgruntled or has a bone to pick. Think out side the box for five seconds and you just might agree with me. . . secretly of course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601827)
the founding Pastor treating the church like it is a personal business to pass down to the next generation.

This has been a topic of discussion for years. If God tells him to give it to his son to Pastor, are you going to tell him heís wrong? Why not pray about it and ask God for yourself if this is the right thing to do? Are you afraid God wonít hear you? Or are you afraid of his answer?

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601827)
If finances are not a strong motivating factor, why make such a quick move towards installing your son as pastor? Even if, God forbid, Elder Parker passes away tomorrow, let the church board conduct a thorough and thoughtful Pastoral search.

Bro. Parker from what I understand made a good living with the tree cutting business he started when he first came to La Grande. That business is still in operation today, after over 30 years of starting it. What does that matter? His son is operating the business, so I would venture to say, financial reasons are not going to be the motivator here.

Church boards? Ive seen those same church boards, ďchooseĒ a Pastor form a state over a thousand miles away, and ordain him and his family. Only to let him go after a month because he preached too hard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601827)
Think out side the box for five seconds and you just might agree with me. . . secretly of course.

I donít mind thinking out of the box. Yet, youíre accusing Bro. Parker of treating this as a family business. Yet, on the other hand youíre suggesting that they look for a Pastor as a business would?

Originalist 03-14-2021 06:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1601832)
This has been a topic of discussion for years. If God tells him to give it to his son to Pastor, are you going to tell him heís wrong? Why not pray about it and ask God for yourself if this is the right thing to do? Are you afraid God wonít hear you? Or are you afraid of his answer?



Bro. Parker from what I understand made a good living with the tree cutting business he started when he first came to La Grande. That business is still in operation today, after over 30 years of starting it. What does that matter? His son is operating the business, so I would venture to say, financial reasons are not going to be the motivator here.

Church boards? Ive seen those same church boards, ďchooseĒ a Pastor form a state over a thousand miles away, and ordain him and his family. Only to let him go after a month because he preached too hard.



I donít mind thinking out of the box. Yet, youíre accusing Bro. Parker of treating this as a family business. Yet, on the other hand youíre suggesting that they look for a Pastor as a business would?

How did it become HIS possession in the first place to be bestowed upon someone else at his will?

Nicodemus1968 03-14-2021 06:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1601834)
How did it become HIS possession in the first place to be bestowed upon someone else at his will?

Because he is the established leader of that assembly.

Nicodemus1968 03-14-2021 06:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1601834)
How did it become HIS possession in the first place to be bestowed upon someone else at his will?

One thing you and everyone else has to realize. Many of those saints there have been there for years. I believe when a Bro. Parker was given the church to Pastor back in 1988 or so, there was only 10-20 people. I believe there around 100 or more. They have multiple generations in the church. Iím not saying this just about you, yet, there are still churches, that still have saints, that still have trust in their Pastor or their leaders.

votivesoul 03-14-2021 08:33 AM

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Brethren, please change the course of this thread to more generically discuss the merits or lack thereof regarding pastoral nepotism, and leave off the specifics and personal names of the church in question, or I will lock the thread.

mont.preterist 03-14-2021 08:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by votivesoul (Post 1601838)
Brethren, please change the course of this thread to more generically discuss the merits or lack thereof regarding pastoral nepotism, and leave off the specifics and personal names of the church in question, or I will lock the thread.

Thank you.

This thread ought to just go away as it is offensive.

TJJJ 03-14-2021 09:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1601817)
Well. . .

It seems like yíall have it figured out!

Leftcoast1? Would you like to verify that you are indeed a preacher? And that you aspired to pastor this church?

The implication is that you are a liar. Could you respond to these accusations?

As far as his opinion mattering, or not, a preacher should have a sound reputation, within as well as without the church. His opinion matters. Not as much as the members opinions. But still . . .

In what world does the opinion of the brethren not matter? I donít think this opinion stands up to the scripture.

I wondered what triggered this thread in the first place. So I went to checking.

The founding pastor of the original church there told me that just last week Bro Booker installed the son as the pastor officially. Said Bro B did a phenomenal job.

So west coast went to the meeting, heard what was going on, so on and so forth.

Yes, West Coast is a preacher. This thread is a result of his going to the meeting and seeing what is going on.

The church is growing, baptizing people every week.

Over 400 sounds like in attendance.

Now you know the rest of the story.

leftcoast1 03-14-2021 10:05 AM

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If Pastors did not have so much autonomy over church finances and pushing their saints to essentially give up 10% of their hard earned income, I would venture to say Pastoral nepotism is not that big of a deal.

Generally speaking, most families are convinced to donate their hard earned income to pastors who travel from meeting to meeting and THEN sacrifice again when it comes time for expensive and over the top ďpastor appreciationĒ celebrations. This is is why the CHURCH should at least have a little say in who is going to be spending their $$$-after all, the common folk are financing the operation.

Abstain from the very APPEARANCE of evil. What a difference a like can make.

Nicodemus1968 03-14-2021 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoast1 (Post 1601844)
If Pastors did not have so much autonomy over church finances and pushing their saints to essentially give up 10% of their hard earned income, I would venture to say Pastoral nepotism is not that big of a deal.

Generally speaking, most families are convinced to donate their hard earned income to pastors who travel from meeting to meeting and THEN sacrifice again when it comes time for expensive and over the top “pastor appreciation” celebrations. This is is why the CHURCH should at least have a little say in who is going to be spending their $$$-after all, the common folk are financing the operation.

Abstain from the very APPEARANCE of evil. What a difference a like can make.

You going to answer TJJJ?

leftcoast1 03-14-2021 01:14 PM

Re: Sons Inheriting Churches from Fathers $$$
 
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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1601843)
I wondered what triggered this thread in the first place. So I went to checking.

The founding pastor of the original church there told me that just last week Bro Booker installed the son as the pastor officially. Said Bro B did a phenomenal job.

So west coast went to the meeting, heard what was going on, so on and so forth.

Yes, West Coast is a preacher. This thread is a result of his going to the meeting and seeing what is going on.

The church is growing, baptizing people every week.

Over 400 sounds like in attendance.

Now you know the rest of the story.

None of the above.


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