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Evang.Benincasa 12-03-2021 04:23 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1606554)
Let me say this. Iím not against a man reaping what he has sown. If a man has done a crime he will be punished. What Iím saying is the church should not be for capital punishment because of the ďeye for an eyeĒ verse.

How about life in prison? Death and living in a day to day hell is as good as death. Yet you are still alive.

Evang.Benincasa 12-03-2021 04:26 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1606556)
Can you post the scripture that makes you think that the church should be against capital punishment?

What did Jesus teach on the subject?

Jesus said "he that is without sin cast the first stone." He didn't say it shouldn't happen. He just reminded them how it should be performed legally. The man who was also in the act surprisingly wasn't there next to her. Therefore, her being executed alone, would of been illegal.

Nicodemus1968 12-03-2021 04:39 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1606556)
Can you post the scripture that makes you think that the church should be against capital punishment?

What did Jesus teach on the subject?

I already brought it up.

John 8:3-7 KJV
[3] And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
[4] They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. [5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.


By the same Old Covenant as some have used to stand for capital punishment, Jesus himself overturned an execution.

I didnít realize Pro-Life was only for the unborn?

Can you some me in scripture where Jesus was for capital punishment?

Nicodemus1968 12-03-2021 04:42 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1606557)
How about life in prison? Death and living in a day to day hell is as good as death. Yet you are still alive.

I understand.

I just canít believe how some on here feel Americas justice system is to be trusted in a way that weighs a persons life in the balance. I mean they donít even trust it (FDA) for vaccine development, and they trust it to put a person to death?
Imagine all those that were executed in Texas that they then found out were really innocent. SMH

Evang.Benincasa 12-03-2021 04:43 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1606559)
I already brought it up.

John 8:3-7 KJV
[3] And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
[4] They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. [5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.


By the same Old Covenant as some have used to stand for capital punishment, Jesus himself overturned an execution.

I didnít realize Pro-Life was only for the unborn?

Can you some me in scripture where Jesus was for capital punishment?

The scripture you quoted from John shows that Jesus was for capital punishment. Because it was part of the Law of Moses.

Evang.Benincasa 12-03-2021 04:45 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1606560)
I understand.

I just canít believe how some on here feel Americas justice system is to be trusted in a way that weighs a persons life in the balance. I mean they donít even trust it (FDA) for vaccine development, and they trust it to put a person to death?
Imagine all those that were executed in Texas that they then found out were really innocent. SMH

We in the church can only pray that God who holds all men in his hands will give mercy. He is the one who sets the captives free, whether out of the incarceration, or having them go to be with Him, after execution. Death isn't the end for an Apostolic, it's the beginning.

coksiw 12-03-2021 05:00 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
Nicodemus,
Saying "I'm sorry" is not enough for justice to be satisfied. Plenty of example of that in the Scriptures, the thief and the one that committed fraud had to do restitution to the victims and also do a sacrifice for their sins before the LORD. But you can start for example with why it was necessary a Calvary to begin with.

Also, you are assuming all murders want to repent. Imagine the abuse in the system if all judges and juries think like you? Murder, ask for forgiveness, repeat. Do you think God will be happy to see the bloodshed not being punished?

When people murder, they are not only sinning against the person that died, but also against the relatives left behind with an emptiness, against the community's law and order, and against God himself. Have you had any loved one murdered? When you leave the trenches you lose perspective.

God himself, as I posted from Genesis, says that the fair punishment for murder is death, and that should be executed by other men. That was said before the Law of Moses. If you don't do that, you are polluting the earth.
Genesis 9:5-6 (NKJV) 5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man's brother I will require the life of man.
6 "Whoever sheds man's blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man
.

Nicodemus1968 12-03-2021 06:41 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1606561)
The scripture you quoted from John shows that Jesus was for capital punishment. Because it was part of the Law of Moses.

Thats why I separated what Im discussing with the New Testament believer.

Nicodemus1968 12-03-2021 06:50 PM

Re: Car Crashes Through a Parade in Wisconsin?
 
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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1606565)
Nicodemus,
Saying "I'm sorry" is not enough for justice to be satisfied. Plenty of example of that in the Scriptures, the thief and the one that committed fraud had to do restitution to the victims and also do a sacrifice for their sins before the LORD. But you can start for example with why it was necessary a Calvary to begin with.

Also, you are assuming all murders want to repent. Imagine the abuse in the system if all judges and juries think like you? Murder, ask for forgiveness, repeat. Do you think God will be happy to see the bloodshed not being punished?

When people murder, they are not only sinning against the person that died, but also against the relatives left behind with an emptiness, against the community's law and order, and against God himself. Have you had any loved one murdered? When you leave the trenches you lose perspective.

God himself, as I posted from Genesis, says that the fair punishment for murder is death, and that should be executed by other men. That was said before the Law of Moses. If you don't do that, you are polluting the earth.
Genesis 9:5-6 (NKJV) 5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man's brother I will require the life of man.
6 "Whoever sheds man's blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man
.

Brother I don't believe all murders want to repent. I was blessed enough to be in the prison system giving bible studies to people that will never see the world outside the rec. fence. There were some in prison that probably if given the chance would go out and commit the same crime that got them incarcerated in the first place.

Yet, I believe we the church is held to the higher standard when it comes to issues of this caliber.

Nicodemus1968 12-03-2021 06:52 PM

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Imagine if we still lived under the Mosaic law, it would be the responsibility of the church to carry out the executions. Would that be fair to say?


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