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Michael The Disciple 01-19-2021 08:38 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by mont.preterist (Post 1600333)
No, you are the one wrong. You are the false prophet.

The first century church looked for it soon because it was getting ready to happen soon. Like in 70 AD soon. Not 2000 years and counting.

But one good thing about that false doctrine, I don't have to listen to it because it is going to be another 2000 years on their reckoning.

So yes crystal clear. Jesus came and raised the dead and took the saints to Heaven in the 1st century! Sometime before 70ad.

So then who are WE? What relevance does the Bible have for us? If it were written only to the 1st century saints looks like nothing relates to us.

We cant be in the 1000 year reign. That would be over by 1100 ad. So since then came the New Heavens and the New Earth!

Were in the good times!

1 God 01-19-2021 08:53 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1600336)
So yes crystal clear. Jesus came and raised the dead and took the saints to Heaven in the 1st century! Sometime before 70ad.

So then who are WE? What relevance does the Bible have for us? If it were written only to the 1st century saints looks like nothing relates to us.

We cant be in the 1000 year reign. That would be over by 1100 ad. So since then came the New Heavens and the New Earth!

Were in the good times!

Good times? I could only wish the Millennial reign was happening now.
Politics would be done away and Christ would reign with us as His statute enforcers.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

n david 01-19-2021 09:14 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by mont.preterist (Post 1600296)
Oh they are at it again.

In a major Texas area, where a certain general superintendent used to pastor, they are making very specific proclamations and prophecies that Jesus is getting ready to come back any day now.

The pastors of churches in that area have banded together and in that area there are THOUSANDS of supposedly oneness pentecostals involved total.

Almost every service there are tongues and interpretations and words of prophecy going out that go similar to this.

"Yeah, get ready, I am coming sooooooon!", or "The end is here, I am getting ready to come in the clouds!"

Now, I do have a problem with this as it feels like 1988. Some of you youngsters weren't around then but let me tell you, false prophecies were running rampant. Large churches of the underprivileged children were being deceived and were prophesying that it was the end, T and I were going out in every service, people were running out and getting in debt because Jesus was coming in September and they weren't going to have to pay back what they were borrowing... feels like it again!

The problem with believing in a pretrib rapture is what we are seeing! The error of this breeds false prophecies and false T and I!!!

What are they going to do when NOTHING happens? When there is not rapture and when their false prophecies go belly up?

This happened in 88 and 89! There were many people then that made bad decisions based upon bad estachology and bad teachings on prophecy and quit church!

We want to hold the false prophets accountable in the charismatic world but what about the false prophets in the oneness pentecostal world? Who is holding them accountable?

Is there going to be a mass exodus out of those churches? We saw people lose out in 88 and 89, y2k, 2001, and etc and etc! Where is the outcry over the false prophets now?

Was there a date given? If there isn't a date given, this isn't even close to the same as what's being claimed/predicted right now. Simply having T/I stating that God is coming again is absolutely scriptural.

This is apples and horseshoes. Not even similar.

n david 01-19-2021 09:17 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by mont.preterist (Post 1600333)
No, you are the one wrong. You are the false prophet.

The first century church looked for it soon because it was getting ready to happen soon. Like in 70 AD soon. Not 2000 years and counting.

But one good thing about that false doctrine, I don't have to listen to it because it is going to be another 2000 years on their reckoning.

It's okay. You do you. Live however you want to live because you don't believe God is coming again. Whether God comes this year or a thousand years, we should be ready.

And it's not false prophecy to state scripture and say He's coming soon.

Scott Pitta 01-19-2021 09:28 AM

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Documentation is key. When a prophet gives a message, document what is said, Every word. Date, time, location, etc.

That way, prophets cannot wiggle out of what they prophecied.

This also protects those who use vocal gifts from malicious gossip.

votivesoul 01-19-2021 08:02 PM

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I think mont. preterist's point is being missed. For him, there is no future coming of the Lord Jesus, and so, no tongue or interpretation or prophecy should ever say as much, because it cannot be true.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if someone assigns a future date or time, or not. It's automatically false, in his view.

Do I have it right, mont. preterist?

coksiw 01-19-2021 10:03 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by mont.preterist (Post 1600333)
No, you are the one wrong. You are the false prophet.

The first century church looked for it soon because it was getting ready to happen soon. Like in 70 AD soon. Not 2000 years and counting.

But one good thing about that false doctrine, I don't have to listen to it because it is going to be another 2000 years on their reckoning.

I get to preach the same message the Apostles preached: My Lord is coming again and will raise his saints the same way he raised from the dead: a bodily resurrection, into eternal life.

Do you realize you can't preach the same?

Michael The Disciple 01-20-2021 01:12 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by votivesoul (Post 1600378)
I think mont. preterist's point is being missed. For him, there is no future coming of the Lord Jesus, and so, no tongue or interpretation or prophecy should ever say as much, because it cannot be true.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if someone assigns a future date or time, or not. It's automatically false, in his view.

Do I have it right, mont. preterist?

We get his point. But we reason how can someone who says Jesus came in 70ad, resurrected the saints and took them back to Heaven with him, get away with calling anyone else FALSE?

Now if people are out there saying Jesus is coming this day or that, when it fails they need to be held accountable. In other words they need to be rebuked as a false prophet or Teacher.

Evang.Benincasa 01-20-2021 07:58 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1600416)
We get his point. But we reason how can someone who says Jesus came in 70ad, resurrected the saints and took them back to Heaven with him, get away with calling anyone else FALSE?

Now if people are out there saying Jesus is coming this day or that, when it fails they need to be held accountable. In other words they need to be rebuked as a false prophet or Teacher.

Mike what happened to the many who were in the graves and came out after Jesus' resurrection? We are told they went into Jerusalem and were seen by many. Who were they, and what happened to them? Matthew 27:52-53

1 God 01-20-2021 08:17 PM

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They are part of the first resurrection, sir.


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