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Evang.Benincasa 01-20-2021 10:13 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by 1 God (Post 1600454)
They are part of the first resurrection, sir.

Sean, if you want to be Mr Helper, you need to tell me where did they go?
That was what I asked.

1 God 01-21-2021 06:31 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
Rene.

Anyway, they are now here in the invisible realm....

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Ronnie G 01-21-2021 09:29 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1600453)
Mike what happened to the many who were in the graves and came out after Jesus' resurrection? We are told they went into Jerusalem and were seen by many. Who were they, and what happened to them? Matthew 27:52-53

Why have I never thought of this before?

I have a theory that they went on to live their lives and die again.

But now I need to think about it.

Michael The Disciple 01-21-2021 10:10 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1600453)
Mike what happened to the many who were in the graves and came out after Jesus' resurrection? We are told they went into Jerusalem and were seen by many. Who were they, and what happened to them? Matthew 27:52-53

Why is it you never answer my questions you just ask me more?

You tell us who are WE? If Jesus came in 70ad and resurrected the saints who were asleep and "raptured" or "caught up" the living and they all went back to Heaven who are WE?

What relevance has the New Covenant laid out by Christ and the apostles that we find in the Bible have for whoever we are? The saints it was written to in the first century have already taken their residence in Heaven.

So here we are apparently way past the 1000 year reign that occurred after 70ad.

Who are we?

Answer me and I will answer you.

Michael The Disciple 01-21-2021 12:00 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
Matt 27: 52-53

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
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Ronnie

Why have I never thought of this before?

I have a theory that they went on to live their lives and die again.

But now I need to think about it.
A good theory IMO. The answer to Doms question.

Either they went to Heaven with Jesus to enjoy immortality, believed by immortal soulists:

Or.....like you said they went into Jerusalem as a sign bearing witness to Christs resurrection. I mean there were 3000 almost immediately converted! This was multiplied in short time They saw amazing wonders!

They could have went back to sleep right away OR lived for a while then died again.

One thing is CERTAIN according to Paul. They did die again. How do we know?

1 Tim. 6: 14-16
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14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Apostle Paul knew the truth. He said JESUS ONLY.......has immortality!

That means when Paul wrote to Timothy many years after the events of Christs resurrection HE BELIEVED no one else was immortal.

coksiw 01-21-2021 12:09 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Ronnie G (Post 1600482)
Why have I never thought of this before?

I have a theory that they went on to live their lives and die again.

But now I need to think about it.

That event happened before the book of Matthew was completed, for obvious reasons. That event happened while Matthew was alive, and he was still on earth after that, to tell the story.

That resurrection is not mentioned in any Epistle. Therefore, you can assume that they are not related to the salvation of the church, and by implication, their resurrection into eternal life. Nothing in the Epistles is connected to a past saints resurrection into eternal life.

Some say they were the saints of the old testament, which it is kind of a stretch, and very hard to give solid arguments for it. I heard of somebody connecting it to Ez 37:12-14, and then to Acts 2:38. Maybe. The most plausible theory is that they were just godly people resurrected as Lazarus was.

Brother, just to warn you, this forum could confuse you tremendously. I highly recommend that, if you haven't done it before, you study carefully hermeneutics and some rhetoric as well, in order to evaluate what they say in this forum. Also, remember this are not formal debates, so the person that it is actually right regarding what it is the actual truth, may not be spending a significant amount of time to engage fully with errors here and express their arguments thoroughly.

jediwill83 01-21-2021 12:42 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1600497)
That event happened before the book of Matthew was completed, for obvious reasons. That event happened while Matthew was alive, and he was still on earth after that, to tell the story.

That resurrection is not mentioned in any Epistle. Therefore, you can assume that they are not related to the salvation of the church, and by implication, their resurrection into eternal life. Nothing in the Epistles is connected to a past saints resurrection into eternal life.

Some say they were the saints of the old testament, which it is kind of a stretch, and very hard to give solid arguments for it. I heard of somebody connecting it to Ez 37:12-14, and then to Acts 2:38. Maybe. The most plausible theory is that they were just godly people resurrected as Lazarus was.

Brother, just to warn you, this forum could confuse you tremendously. I highly recommend that, if you haven't done it before, you study carefully hermeneutics and some rhetoric as well, in order to evaluate what they say in this forum. Also, remember this are not formal debates, so the person that it is actually right regarding what it is the actual truth, may not be spending a significant amount of time to engage fully with errors here and express their arguments thoroughly.


Herman who? 😂😉

Ronnie G 01-21-2021 01:30 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1600497)
That event happened before the book of Matthew was completed, for obvious reasons. That event happened while Matthew was alive, and he was still on earth after that, to tell the story.

That resurrection is not mentioned in any Epistle. Therefore, you can assume that they are not related to the salvation of the church, and by implication, their resurrection into eternal life. Nothing in the Epistles is connected to a past saints resurrection into eternal life.

Some say they were the saints of the old testament, which it is kind of a stretch, and very hard to give solid arguments for it. I heard of somebody connecting it to Ez 37:12-14, and then to Acts 2:38. Maybe. The most plausible theory is that they were just godly people resurrected as Lazarus was.

Brother, just to warn you, this forum could confuse you tremendously. I highly recommend that, if you haven't done it before, you study carefully hermeneutics and some rhetoric as well, in order to evaluate what they say in this forum. Also, remember this are not formal debates, so the person that it is actually right regarding what it is the actual truth, may not be spending a significant amount of time to engage fully with errors here and express their arguments thoroughly.

Thank you. Without a doubt, this forum has HUGE latitude in views.

My point being is, I am inclined to believe we sleep when we die, until resurrection. Therefore the dead that rose were neither robbed of paradise nor given a sentence commutation from hell. It was like they woke up from a nap (albeit a rather traumatizingly odd one).

Otherwise, a man born for eternal life was now restored to a position in which he could lose it, or pulled from flames from which would be guaranteed to avoid it.

Unless of course, this was some kind of "first fruits" thing, but that isn't my concern. My concern is me, my family, and those I can reach today.

Michael The Disciple 01-21-2021 01:37 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
Ronnie

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My point being is, I am inclined to believe we sleep when we die, until resurrection.
A heavyweight point indeed. The resurrection is one of the most important truths.

And IF it be true it eliminates the entire scheme of "preterism".

coksiw 01-21-2021 01:43 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Ronnie G (Post 1600505)
Thank you. Without a doubt, this forum has HUGE latitude in views.

My point being is, I am inclined to believe we sleep when we die, until resurrection. Therefore the dead that rose were neither robbed of paradise nor given a sentence commutation from hell. It was like they woke up from a nap (albeit a rather traumatizingly odd one).

Otherwise, a man born for eternal life was now restored to a position in which he could lose it, or pulled from flames from which would be guaranteed to avoid it.

Unless of course, this was some kind of "first fruits" thing, but that isn't my concern. My concern is me, my family, and those I can reach today.

As an interesting fact, Pharisees used to believe that the spirit of a dead person lingers close to its body for three days, so there was a chance of somebody coming back to life within three days according to them. It could probably be the reason why Jesus waited four days to resurrect Lazarus: just to leave no doubts.


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