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Michael The Disciple 01-21-2021 10:17 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1600521)
So, the fruit of Jesus' resurrection has death? Jesus alone having immortality means that only through the Christ will anyone living gain immortality. So, these resurrected people had to die again and resurrect again? I'll chalk that one up with Satan in his fly saucer and your modified version of the Watchtower belief on the godhead.

:laffatu

And same as always you never made an attempt to answer the few simple questions I have asked for years now.

Jesus only having immortality means he was the firstfruits of them that slept. Paul said so in 1 Cor. 15:20-23

Evang.Benincasa 01-22-2021 08:10 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1600534)
And same as always you never made an attempt to answer the few simple questions I have asked for years now.

Jesus only having immortality means he was the firstfruits of them that slept. Paul said so in 1 Cor. 15:20-23

Mike, read...Who only hath immortality, dwelling in THE LIGHT which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting.


Mike no man can approach or ever seen, or can ever know the light?

Evang.Benincasa 01-22-2021 08:12 AM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1600534)
And same as always you never made an attempt to answer the few simple questions I have asked for years now.

Jesus only having immortality means he was the firstfruits of them that slept. Paul said so in 1 Cor. 15:20-23

Mike first fruits of them who SLEPT?

So they died again?

They were first fruits with Christ.

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Michael The Disciple 01-22-2021 01:35 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1600539)
Mike first fruits of them who SLEPT?

So they died again?

They were first fruits with Christ.

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

If they were firstfruits with Christ they would have immortality. Paul says Jesus ONLY has immortality.

Michael The Disciple 01-22-2021 01:38 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1600538)
Mike, read...Who only hath immortality, dwelling in THE LIGHT which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting.


Mike no man can approach or ever seen, or can ever know the light?

Paul speaks of the OMNIPRESENT ETERNAL SPIRIT.

No one has seen or can see it. All they have seen is the Logos.

1 God 01-22-2021 01:47 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1600553)
If they were firstfruits with Christ they would have immortality. Paul says Jesus ONLY has immortality.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

All that are taken up per 1 Cor 15 before the end are the firstfruits of Jesus Christ, then the Tribulation saints are resurrected to complete the 1st resurrection of the firstfruits of the Lord. It is 2 major parts.

Esaias 01-22-2021 08:55 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1600453)
Mike what happened to the many who were in the graves and came out after Jesus' resurrection? We are told they went into Jerusalem and were seen by many. Who were they, and what happened to them? Matthew 27:52-53

I think I had a post on this not too long ago, discussing the theological purpose for Matthew's account and the issues concerning Hymenaeus and company?

I'll see if I can find it.

Esaias 01-22-2021 08:55 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by 1 God (Post 1600555)
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

All that are taken up per 1 Cor 15 before the end are the firstfruits of Jesus Christ, then the Tribulation saints are resurrected to complete the 1st resurrection of the firstfruits of the Lord. It is 2 major parts.

Cool story, bro.

Esaias 01-22-2021 08:59 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1600580)
I think I had a post on this not too long ago, discussing the theological purpose for Matthew's account and the issues concerning Hymenaeus and company?

I'll see if I can find it.

Here's one:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...5&postcount=55


1. The error of Hymenaeus, and the error among the Thessalonians, and one of the errors addressed in Hebrews ch 6, is due to the event described in Matthew 27:51-53
2. John 3:13 was written to combat those same errors
3. Matt 27:51-53 itself was written to combat the Hymenaean and Thessalonian error
4. The errors mentioned in 1 are that the resurrection had either already happened, or had already commenced.
5. The errors mentioned in 1 were due to reports circulating among certain Jews concerning the event described in Matt 27:51-53
6. Matt wrote a description of the event using particular language in order to both address the error that had developed as well as to CORRECT the error that had developed
7. If Matt 27:51-53 describes people resurrecting as immortal and glorified, then there is a series of major issues that develop regarding the textual integrity of Matthew, the New Testament, the Old Testament, and thus the entire Bible.
8. If Matt 27:51-53 describes people resurrecting as immortal and glorified, then there is a series of major issues that develop regarding the idea of apostolic unity, as it would then become apparent that Pauline Christianity (and likely Johannine Christianity) and Matthean Christianity were at odds concerning a major doctrine about resurrection.

Ronnie G 01-22-2021 09:04 PM

Re: False Prophecies Everywhere, not just Charisma
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1600583)
Here's one:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...5&postcount=55


1. The error of Hymenaeus, and the error among the Thessalonians, and one of the errors addressed in Hebrews ch 6, is due to the event described in Matthew 27:51-53
2. John 3:13 was written to combat those same errors
3. Matt 27:51-53 itself was written to combat the Hymenaean and Thessalonian error
4. The errors mentioned in 1 are that the resurrection had either already happened, or had already commenced.
5. The errors mentioned in 1 were due to reports circulating among certain Jews concerning the event described in Matt 27:51-53
6. Matt wrote a description of the event using particular language in order to both address the error that had developed as well as to CORRECT the error that had developed
7. If Matt 27:51-53 describes people resurrecting as immortal and glorified, then there is a series of major issues that develop regarding the textual integrity of Matthew, the New Testament, the Old Testament, and thus the entire Bible.
8. If Matt 27:51-53 describes people resurrecting as immortal and glorified, then there is a series of major issues that develop regarding the idea of apostolic unity, as it would then become apparent that Pauline Christianity (and likely Johannine Christianity) and Matthean Christianity were at odds concerning a major doctrine about resurrection.

What’s funny is, without any deep rumination about this, I’ve always seen this account as a simple resurrection of no glorified consequence.


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