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Jesus only having immortality means he was the firstfruits of them that slept. Paul said so in 1 Cor. 15:20-23 |
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Mike no man can approach or ever seen, or can ever know the light? |
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So they died again? They were first fruits with Christ. Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. |
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No one has seen or can see it. All they have seen is the Logos. |
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All that are taken up per 1 Cor 15 before the end are the firstfruits of Jesus Christ, then the Tribulation saints are resurrected to complete the 1st resurrection of the firstfruits of the Lord. It is 2 major parts. |
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http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...5&postcount=55 1. The error of Hymenaeus, and the error among the Thessalonians, and one of the errors addressed in Hebrews ch 6, is due to the event described in Matthew 27:51-53 2. John 3:13 was written to combat those same errors 3. Matt 27:51-53 itself was written to combat the Hymenaean and Thessalonian error 4. The errors mentioned in 1 are that the resurrection had either already happened, or had already commenced. 5. The errors mentioned in 1 were due to reports circulating among certain Jews concerning the event described in Matt 27:51-53 6. Matt wrote a description of the event using particular language in order to both address the error that had developed as well as to CORRECT the error that had developed 7. If Matt 27:51-53 describes people resurrecting as immortal and glorified, then there is a series of major issues that develop regarding the textual integrity of Matthew, the New Testament, the Old Testament, and thus the entire Bible. 8. If Matt 27:51-53 describes people resurrecting as immortal and glorified, then there is a series of major issues that develop regarding the idea of apostolic unity, as it would then become apparent that Pauline Christianity (and likely Johannine Christianity) and Matthean Christianity were at odds concerning a major doctrine about resurrection. |
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Matthew 27:50-54 KJVHe states "many bodies of the saints arose and came out of the graves and went into the city and appeared unto many." His language is interesting. 1. He asserts they went into the city, not into heaven, Paradise, the Presence of God, the Third Heaven, etc, or any other term recognizable to a first century Judean as indicating THE Resurrection into "The World To Come". 2. He asserts the BODIES arose, went, appeared, etc. Thus he describes in definite terms a physical bodily resurrection of (formerly dead) bodies coming out of tombs, etc. Thus his language counters gnostic and Greek religious concepts of "life after death" and leaving the physical body behind to travel in a non material disembodied spirit-form to Elysian Fields, heaven, etc. In other words, his terminology rules out the two possibilities that this event was either a resurrection into immortality according to the Judean conceptualization, or a "raising" into immortality according to the Greek conceptualisation. Or in other words, he is asserting this was NOT the resurrection into immortality that anybody might be looking forward to. Hymenaeus and others had been claiming the resurrection had taken place already. Matthew's account is the ONLY place that speaks of any event that could be mistaken or pointed to as evidence of a past resurrection into immortality. In other words, after Christ's resurrection, either some dead people DID come back to life, or at least it appeared that way to many witnesses, and this event became the basis of a belief that "the resurrection has already occurred". So, to COUNTER that error, Matthew described what happened using terms that rule out this event from being the resurrection to immortality. |
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10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Or this?... 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee through the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. |
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I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. Jesus prayed that His disciples would be kept from the evil by a means OTHER THAN being taken out of the world. Like in a rapture. Which means a secret pretrib rapture is not in the cards. |
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Also attested to by the late season of the Feast of trumpets. |
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Odd. Most Christians believed in the rapture until about 15 years ago. A new doctrine has emerged in Christendom, dominating the land. It says that Jesus will guide us through the near extinction of the earth in 7 years, instead of keeping us from it. I try to comprehend my unsaved neighbors hideously dying before my eyes as I am untouched. Will I rejoice for 7 years as all food and water etc is taken and my house is demolished along with the rest of my town, and I am a vagabond in the ruins of my city? Either these anti-rapture folks have no foresight or they unwittingly love an anguish inflicting God.
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I wonder if the suffering Christians in China see God as an "anguish inflicting" God? Why hasnt he raptured THEM to Heaven? Many of them are in prison camps as we speak. Many of them or their loved ones have been executed and their organs cut out and shipped to America for use. Or how about believers in the middle east? Many are having their heads cut off. Their wives and children sold as slaves. And yet somehow we think God owes it to the American Christian to take him to Heaven so he wont have to suffer for Jesus Christ! Jesus said we would be hated of all nations. The "new doctrine" that has taken over is the conservative doctrine of "American Exceptionalism". Americans are essentially better people than other nations. Therefore they should not have to suffer. I am not "anti rapture". I am anti "pre trib" rapture. |
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I actually think there will be people with no relationship to God that stand down and resist the mark as well—just my theory, but oh well. |
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And while I realize that there will be trials of incredible
Magnitude, and we were told what will happen—we also need to know we were not commanded to perseverate over bloody imagery, and hopeless, intractable persecution porn in our minds. Two kinds of people in my life do that—pre-tribbers, and people with little or no family-especially vulnerable little children. I’m aware of what’s coming. But I simply can’t live with such imagery dominating my daily life. |
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We actually should be teaching our children these things are happening and what to expect in the future. |
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I agree we should be preparing our children—we should also be tempering it with “Occupy till I come.”
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This is how the rapture cult operates. They literally use standard observable cultic techniques of attempted psychological bullying and non-rational, emotive "arguments" that aren't even actual arguments. "Think of the chirrenz!" That's what rapturism amounts to. Sad. |
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Sir, you are incredibly tough to be able to sit and watch the annihilation by God of your community and unsaved loved ones, leaving you alive, but a vagabond in a wasteland for 7 years. I know very tough men that do not want to face a single plague depicted in the book of Rev, but you are a man of men.
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My assessment of Christianity today is they do not believe any of these warnings of plagues and vials of wrath, along with satan's wrath are even real. They think that it will be nothing to face them. The first/second etc, century saints that heard of these events would have been terrified to face them, even as they were under intense persecution in their time. Theologians have lost all fear of God in the last days. I believe these are the scoffers depicted in the N.T.
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