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Bro Flame 04-02-2021 09:11 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602206)
That is a false statement. The fact that multiple members in both camps have received the gift of the Holy Ghost proves they do worship the same God. Nobody, including Apostolics, has a perfect understanding of God.

I can semi-agree with you. I would say that Apostolic/Oneness Christians have a better understanding of God over Trinitarians.

There are multiple Trinitarian denominations that believe in the spiritual gifts. Their doctrines on the Holy Ghost is all over the map though. Being Trinitarian, they believe the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead, and they typically believe someone "receives the Spirit" at conversion (or repentance). Any further manifestation of the Spirit in the believer's life (such as the operation of spiritual gifts, something which isn't deemed necessary) is viewed as a releasing of the Spirit already within the Christian.

I know many Christians that received the baptism with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, when they were attending Trinitarian churches. An elder minister in our church that passed a few years ago pastored a Holiness Baptist church for years. He received the Holy Ghost in a Holiness Baptist church. They were very strict, but he saw the truth of Jesus Name well into his sixties. He was rebaptized and embraced the Jesus Name doctrine. A similar story centers on an older woman I know that received the Holy Ghost in the Church of God back during the time when that denomination preached hell fire and brimstone. She began to pray and God brought her into the glorious light and she's been a full-fledged Apostolic for decades.

Even though it is sometimes tough to swallow, I don't believe everyone in Trinitarian churches receive the same Holy Ghost that Jesus Name people do. This is partly because they have a misunderstanding of who God is, and their denominations teaches false doctrine. These people might speak in tongues and operate in spiritual matters, but they deny Biblical doctrines as heresy. It's hard for me to believe that these people have the same Holy Ghost we have. Now, God could still be dealing with them, but if they continue to deny Him, I do believe their "manifestations" will eventually turn counterfeit.

I do know that not everyone in an Apostolic church as the genuine Holy Ghost, either. Every tongue-talker isn't legit, no matter what church they go to.

Nicodemus1968 04-02-2021 09:29 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602206)
That is a false statement. The fact that multiple members in both camps have received the gift of the Holy Ghost proves they do worship the same God. Nobody, including Apostolics, has a perfect understanding of God.

How is it false?

Do trinitarians worship Jesus Christ as the ONE true God? Or, do they worship him as a second person in the trinity?

John 8:24
[24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


Tongue talking or not, unless you believe and live for Jesus and him alone, we donít serve the same God.

Nicodemus1968 04-02-2021 09:35 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro Flame (Post 1602209)
I can semi-agree with you. I would say that Apostolic/Oneness Christians have a better understanding of God over Trinitarians.

There are multiple Trinitarian denominations that believe in the spiritual gifts. Their doctrines on the Holy Ghost is all over the map though. Being Trinitarian, they believe the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead, and they typically believe someone "receives the Spirit" at conversion (or repentance). Any further manifestation of the Spirit in the believer's life (such as the operation of spiritual gifts, something which isn't deemed necessary) is viewed as a releasing of the Spirit already within the Christian.

I know many Christians that received the baptism with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, when they were attending Trinitarian churches. An elder minister in our church that passed a few years ago pastored a Holiness Baptist church for years. He received the Holy Ghost in a Holiness Baptist church. They were very strict, but he saw the truth of Jesus Name well into his sixties. He was rebaptized and embraced the Jesus Name doctrine. A similar story centers on an older woman I know that received the Holy Ghost in the Church of God back during the time when that denomination preached hell fire and brimstone. She began to pray and God brought her into the glorious light and she's been a full-fledged Apostolic for decades.

Even though it is sometimes tough to swallow, I don't believe everyone in Trinitarian churches receive the same Holy Ghost that Jesus Name people do. This is partly because they have a misunderstanding of who God is, and their denominations teaches false doctrine. These people might speak in tongues and operate in spiritual matters, but they deny Biblical doctrines as heresy. It's hard for me to believe that these people have the same Holy Ghost we have. Now, God could still be dealing with them, but if they continue to deny Him, I do believe their "manifestations" will eventually turn counterfeit.

I do know that not everyone in an Apostolic church as the genuine Holy Ghost, either. Every tongue-talker isn't legit, no matter what church they go to.

Receiving the Holy Ghost in a building is wonderful doesnít matter if itís in a church building or in a park service. The fact is, when that person receives the gift, they believe Jesus is God! They donít believe in 3 separate, co equal, co eternal gods up in heaven.

Nicodemus1968 04-02-2021 09:40 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
https://youtu.be/lyGbol-YUH0

Skip to minute 40.

Bro. Bernard is in a debate with a man that believes in 3 gods. And Bro. Bernard says, we worship the same God. The Trinitarian corrects him on that statement.

Originalist 04-02-2021 10:14 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro Flame (Post 1602209)
I can semi-agree with you. I would say that Apostolic/Oneness Christians have a better understanding of God over Trinitarians.

There are multiple Trinitarian denominations that believe in the spiritual gifts. Their doctrines on the Holy Ghost is all over the map though. Being Trinitarian, they believe the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead, and they typically believe someone "receives the Spirit" at conversion (or repentance). Any further manifestation of the Spirit in the believer's life (such as the operation of spiritual gifts, something which isn't deemed necessary) is viewed as a releasing of the Spirit already within the Christian.

I know many Christians that received the baptism with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, when they were attending Trinitarian churches. An elder minister in our church that passed a few years ago pastored a Holiness Baptist church for years. He received the Holy Ghost in a Holiness Baptist church. They were very strict, but he saw the truth of Jesus Name well into his sixties. He was rebaptized and embraced the Jesus Name doctrine. A similar story centers on an older woman I know that received the Holy Ghost in the Church of God back during the time when that denomination preached hell fire and brimstone. She began to pray and God brought her into the glorious light and she's been a full-fledged Apostolic for decades.

Even though it is sometimes tough to swallow, I don't believe everyone in Trinitarian churches receive the same Holy Ghost that Jesus Name people do. This is partly because they have a misunderstanding of who God is, and their denominations teaches false doctrine. These people might speak in tongues and operate in spiritual matters, but they deny Biblical doctrines as heresy. It's hard for me to believe that these people have the same Holy Ghost we have. Now, God could still be dealing with them, but if they continue to deny Him, I do believe their "manifestations" will eventually turn counterfeit.

I do know that not everyone in an Apostolic church as the genuine Holy Ghost, either. Every tongue-talker isn't legit, no matter what church they go to.


There is only one Holy Ghost. Either they received him or they didn't.

LOVE JESUS 04-02-2021 01:26 PM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602206)
That is a false statement. The fact that multiple members in both camps have received the gift of the Holy Ghost proves they do worship the same God. Nobody, including Apostolics, has a perfect understanding of God.

Thank you Brother. You are so right. I have plenty of friends and relatives in both beliefs. I would NEVER say they don't worship the same God.

mont.preterist 04-02-2021 06:00 PM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602212)
https://youtu.be/lyGbol-YUH0

Skip to minute 40.

Bro. Bernard is in a debate with a man that believes in 3 gods. And Bro. Bernard says, we worship the same God. The Trinitarian corrects him on that statement.

Now that is an interesting comment from a trinitarian.

Originalist 04-03-2021 07:16 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mont.preterist (Post 1602222)
Now that is an interesting comment from a trinitarian.

The man does not confess a belief in 3 gods.

Originalist 04-03-2021 09:07 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602211)
Receiving the Holy Ghost in a building is wonderful doesnít matter if itís in a church building or in a park service. The fact is, when that person receives the gift, they believe Jesus is God! They donít believe in 3 separate, co equal, co eternal gods up in heaven.

Most people who receive the Holy Ghost are not at that point even thinking in the depth you assert concerning the nature of the godhead. They are seeking the Holy Ghost because they have repented, believed on the lordship of Jesus the Son of God, and want to be empowered to live a life that pleases God.

Originalist 04-03-2021 09:22 AM

Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro Flame (Post 1602209)
I can semi-agree with you. I would say that Apostolic/Oneness Christians have a better understanding of God over Trinitarians.

There are multiple Trinitarian denominations that believe in the spiritual gifts. Their doctrines on the Holy Ghost is all over the map though. Being Trinitarian, they believe the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead, and they typically believe someone "receives the Spirit" at conversion (or repentance). Any further manifestation of the Spirit in the believer's life (such as the operation of spiritual gifts, something which isn't deemed necessary) is viewed as a releasing of the Spirit already within the Christian.

I know many Christians that received the baptism with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, when they were attending Trinitarian churches. An elder minister in our church that passed a few years ago pastored a Holiness Baptist church for years. He received the Holy Ghost in a Holiness Baptist church. They were very strict, but he saw the truth of Jesus Name well into his sixties. He was rebaptized and embraced the Jesus Name doctrine. A similar story centers on an older woman I know that received the Holy Ghost in the Church of God back during the time when that denomination preached hell fire and brimstone. She began to pray and God brought her into the glorious light and she's been a full-fledged Apostolic for decades.

Even though it is sometimes tough to swallow, I don't believe everyone in Trinitarian churches receive the same Holy Ghost that Jesus Name people do. This is partly because they have a misunderstanding of who God is, and their denominations teaches false doctrine. These people might speak in tongues and operate in spiritual matters, but they deny Biblical doctrines as heresy. It's hard for me to believe that these people have the same Holy Ghost we have. Now, God could still be dealing with them, but if they continue to deny Him, I do believe their "manifestations" will eventually turn counterfeit.

I do know that not everyone in an Apostolic church as the genuine Holy Ghost, either. Every tongue-talker isn't legit, no matter what church they go to.

Let's muddy the waters even further....

Quote:

1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
How does Jesus set us free from the law of sin and death?

How does Jesus impart spiritual life into a soul?


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