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Tithesmeister 04-06-2021 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1602259)
I received the Holy Ghost believing Jesus is the son of God. This was 6 weeks after I repented and committed my life to him. I had not been to a Church yet. I had never been in a Pentecostal or Charismatic Church in my life.

As I recall I dont think I had ever heard the phrase "Jesus is God" yet I had an experience on 4-3-1974 with tongues and prophecy. Later as I began to read Christian books and attend various Churches I heard of the "Trinity".

It was 4 years down the road when I got baptized in Jesus name. I did it because I could see it in the book of Acts. It may have been another year before I actually got the revelation of Oneness.

In no way would I ever think what I got in 1974 was anything but the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I received the Holy Ghost believing Jesus was the Son of God , as well. AND I STILL believe Jesus is the Son of God.

Is anyone saying that they believe otherwise?

Originalist 04-06-2021 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1602274)
I received the Holy Ghost believing Jesus was the Son of God , as well. AND I STILL believe Jesus is the Son of God.

Is anyone saying that they believe otherwise?
And that is what was preached in Acts.

Nicodemus1968 04-07-2021 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602273)
:nod
EXTRA BIBLICAL GARBAGE??????

You may want to rephrase that.

Nicodemus1968 04-07-2021 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602273)
:nod
I want to add this. Originalist, it’s not apples and oranges to compare people praying to Mary and those that pray to Jesus as the second deity of the trinity.

If you pray to Mary does she hear you?

If you pray to Jesus as a second god, does he hear you?

Matthew 7:21-23 KJVS
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Does a man/women have an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ believing in the trinitarian doctrine?

Amanah 04-07-2021 05:35 AM
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I think you meet people where they are, find common ground and build from there. Jesus gives us the Holy Ghost to guide us into all truth. John 16:13

If you have the Holy Ghost, you have an intimate relationship with God.

loran adkins 04-07-2021 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602277)
I want to add this. Originalist, it’s not apples and oranges to compare people praying to Mary and those that pray to Jesus as the second deity of the trinity.

If you pray to Mary does she hear you?

If you pray to Jesus as a second god, does he hear you?

Matthew 7:21-23 KJVS
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Does a man/women have an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ believing in the trinitarian doctrine?
I do believe that a person can have an intimate relationship, with Christ believing the trinitarian doctrine. I have known many. What I find reviling it the different beliefs that are found of the oneness of God. I did not know how many there were until I got on AFF.

I mean can I be on the road to hell just because I may be wrong in the way I see oneness?

Nicodemus1968 04-07-2021 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1602278)
I think you meet people where they are, find common ground and build from there. Jesus gives us the Holy Ghost to guide us into all truth. John 16:13

If you have the Holy Ghost, you have an intimate relationship with God.
Sis, I believe like you in that Jesus give us his spirit to guide us into all truth.

The spiritual law is revealed to us by his Spirit.

Ill use marriage as an example, physical example can bring spiritual meaning.

Just because a man and a women are married, doesn’t mean there intimate. And I’m not just talking about the undefiled bed, I’m speaking of the man and women talking to each other, knowing each other’s likes and dislikes, can look at each other and know what the other is thinking. There intimate with one another, That’s what I believe “knowing” Jesus is all about.

A person in church can speak in tongues yet, he doesn’t have an intimate relationship with Jesus.

Nicodemus1968 04-07-2021 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by loran adkins (Post 1602279)
I do believe that a person can have an intimate relationship, with Christ believing the trinitarian doctrine. I have known many. What I find reviling it the different beliefs that are found of the oneness of God. I did not know how many there were until I got on AFF.

I mean can I be on the road to hell just because I may be wrong in the way I see oneness?
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Originally Posted by loran adkins (Post 1602279)
What I find reviling it the different beliefs that are found of the oneness of God. I did not know how many there were until I got on AFF
Well, I can’t argue with that.

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Originally Posted by loran adkins (Post 1602279)
I mean can I be on the road to hell just because I may be wrong in the way I see oneness?
I believe you have to believe in the truth that Jesus is God. Do you have to have a theological degree on the oneness to be saved? No, I don’t believe so. I do believe you will be lost if you believe in the trinity, that means three co-equal, co- eternal, co-existing gods, or the catholic trinity of three individual gods in one body.

Originalist 04-07-2021 08:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602276)
EXTRA BIBLICAL GARBAGE??????

You may want to rephrase that.

I said that based on your comment,

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Yet, what happens when a catholic believer says she received the Holy Ghost because she prayed to Mary the mother of Jesus and she believes Mary intervened (to her son Jesus) on her behalf? Does she have the Holy Ghost? Am I limiting God?
That is extra-biblical garbage. Trinitarians Pentecostals receive the Spirit focusing squarely on Christ and his blood.

Bro Flame 04-07-2021 11:50 AM
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It baffles me how many preachers you come across today that have no preference whatsoever as to how they baptize their congregation. I know of a man who pastors a self-proclaimed non-denominational church and when one of the ladies that attended his church asked how he baptized, he basically told her that he would do it in the titles or Jesus Name depending on the congregate's request.

Like, what Bible study could that preacher give about baptism? He has no stance on either side of the fence. Would it be safe to assume he doesn't see baptism as necessary?

At least a lot of Trinitarians try to justify their view with Matthew 28:19.

TGBTG 04-07-2021 11:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1602259)
I received the Holy Ghost believing Jesus is the son of God. This was 6 weeks after I repented and committed my life to him. I had not been to a Church yet. I had never been in a Pentecostal or Charismatic Church in my life.

As I recall I dont think I had ever heard the phrase "Jesus is God" yet I had an experience on 4-3-1974 with tongues and prophecy. Later as I began to read Christian books and attend various Churches I heard of the "Trinity".

It was 4 years down the road when I got baptized in Jesus name. I did it because I could see it in the book of Acts. It may have been another year before I actually got the revelation of Oneness.

In no way would I ever think what I got in 1974 was anything but the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602269)
Then I guess you proved me wrong.
Nico1968, do you believe Jesus is the Son of God?

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1602294)
Nico1968, do you believe Jesus is the Son of God?
Yes. I believe the humanity was the son of God.

Michael The Disciple 04-08-2021 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602295)
Yes. I believe the humanity was the son of God.
Agreed he was. But IS he presently a man?

Originalist 04-08-2021 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602295)
Yes. I believe the humanity was the son of God.
So there was just "humanity" and not a genuine human being?

TGBTG 04-08-2021 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602295)
Yes. I believe the humanity was the son of God.
Not sure what you mean by the humanity was the son of God.

Maybe i should rephrase my question. Is Jesus Christ PRESENTLY the son of God?

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1602298)
Not sure what you mean by the humanity was the son of God.

Maybe i should rephrase my question. Is Jesus Christ PRESENTLY the son of God?
Well, what was born from the womb of Mary, was it the humanity or the spirit?

What died on the cross, was it the humanity or the spirit?

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1602296)
Agreed he was. But IS he presently a man?
Why would he be a man? The cross was completed, the humanity was the perfect sacrifice.

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602297)
So there was just "humanity" and not a genuine human being?
Not sure what you mean by genuine.

What was the spotless lamb, was it the spirit or was it the humanity? How can you sacrifice a spirit, the Bible says, for spirit doesn’t have flesh and blood. Remember the Bible says, for God will provide himself a lamb, blood and water flowed from the BODY of Jesus, not the spirit.

Tithesmeister 04-08-2021 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602301)
Not sure what you mean by genuine.

What was the spotless lamb, was it the spirit or was it the humanity? How can you sacrifice a spirit, the Bible says, for spirit doesn’t have flesh and blood. Remember the Bible says, for God will provide himself a lamb, blood and water flowed from the BODY of Jesus, not the spirit.
Allow me to make it simple, if I may. Yes or no question:


Do you believe Jesus is currently the Son of God?

It is not a complicated question. A one word answer will be best.

TGBTG 04-08-2021 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602299)
Well, what was born from the womb of Mary, was it the humanity or the spirit?

What died on the cross, was it the humanity or the spirit?
Wow!...not a simple yes or no response to the question?

Yeah, you shouldn’t worry about trinitarians if you can’t even give a straight answer regarding if Jesus is the son of God.

Let me help you out:

Rev 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Notice Jesus called himself the son of God many years after his resurrection.
The fact that you can’t just straight out say Jesus is the son of God is honestly baffling.
Using the same standard you used to judge the trinitarians, you may be worshipping a different God...hahaha

Michael The Disciple 04-08-2021 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602300)
Why would he be a man? The cross was completed, the humanity was the perfect sacrifice.
Im stunned. How many "Apostolics" think Jesus is no longer a man?

TGBTG 04-08-2021 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1602304)
Im stunned. How many "Apostolics" think Jesus is no longer a man?
So am I...if you claim to be oneness and can’t flat out say or believe that Jesus is the Son of God, don’t be surprised if trinitarians don’t even listen to anything you have to say about the topic of Godhead.

Jesus is the Son of God is the most basic tenet of our faith. Oneness and trinitarians believe this.

Explaining how Jesus is the son of God is where the differences are. And some people have come to the conclusion that being able to explain the “how” is a heaven/hell issue.

Originalist 04-08-2021 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1602303)
Wow!...not a simple yes or no response to the question?

Yeah, you shouldn’t worry about trinitarians if you can’t even give a straight answer regarding if Jesus is the son of God.

Let me help you out:

Rev 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Notice Jesus called himself the son of God many years after his resurrection.
The fact that you can’t just straight out say Jesus is the son of God is honestly baffling.
Using the same standard you used to judge the trinitarians, you may be worshipping a different God...hahaha
More than a few on our side will even go so far as to eliminate the words of songs that refer to Jesus as the Son of God. Doctrinal insecurity. Truthfully, I do not think they really understand our doctrine.

Tithesmeister 04-08-2021 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602306)
More than a few on our side will even go so far as to eliminate the words of songs that refer to Jesus as the Son of God. Doctrinal insecurity. Truthfully, I do not think they really understand our doctrine.
The truth of the matter is that we are often more focused on explaining how the trinitarians are wrong, than understanding and defending our own doctrine. We seem to take comfort in finding fault with the doctrine of others, whichever side of the fence we fall on. It is somewhat reminiscent of the plank in the eye allegory.

I have absolutely listened to a trinitarian explain the trinity almost verbatim to the method the general superintendent of the UPCI explained oneness in the debate.

I was shocked!

TGBTG 04-08-2021 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1602307)
The truth of the matter is that we are often more focused on explaining how the trinitarians are wrong, than understanding and defending our own doctrine. We seem to take comfort in finding fault with the doctrine of others, whichever side of the fence we fall on. It is somewhat reminiscent of the plank in the eye allegory.

I have absolutely listened to a trinitarian explain the trinity almost verbatim to the method the general superintendent of the UPCI explained oneness in the debate.

I was shocked!
This!!

TGBTG 04-08-2021 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1602306)
More than a few on our side will even go so far as to eliminate the words of songs that refer to Jesus as the Son of God. Doctrinal insecurity. Truthfully, I do not think they really understand our doctrine.
Might as well remove it from the scriptures..haha

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 01:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1602302)
Allow me to make it simple, if I may. Yes or no question:


Do you believe Jesus is currently the Son of God?

It is not a complicated question. A one word answer will be best.
No.

I believe Jesus is God.

Simple as that.

Tithesmeister 04-08-2021 01:33 PM
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I’m gonna make it even easier.
This is Paul, after “seeing the Light”.

Acts.9

[20] And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1602304)
Im stunned. How many "Apostolics" think Jesus is no longer a man?
Why would God be a man?

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1602311)
I’m gonna make it even easier.
This is Paul, after “seeing the Light”.

Acts.9

[20] And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
What does son refer to?

Tithesmeister 04-08-2021 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602310)
No.

I believe Jesus is God.

Simple as that.
Brother,

I’m gonna let the Word do the preaching.

John.4

[15] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Mark said this . . .

Mark.1

[1] The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

TGBTG 04-08-2021 01:52 PM
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Nico,
Jesus (not Paul, John, Mark, sorry tithe master..lol) called himself the son of God many years after his resurrection. What do you make of that?

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1602315)
Nico,
Jesus (not Paul, John, Mark, sorry tithe master..lol) called himself the son of God many years after his resurrection. What do you make of that?
Again, what does the son refer to?

I never said Jesus was never the son of God. The question asked was, is he currently the son of God.

Michael The Disciple 04-08-2021 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602310)
No.

I believe Jesus is God.

Simple as that.
So we might begin at this point to wonder who it is that has the "real" Holy Ghost.

Quote:
Brother,

I’m gonna let the Word do the preaching.

John.4

[15] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Is God "dwelling in him" like having the Holy Ghost?

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 02:33 PM
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We all understand why we have the humanity of Jesus (son) on this earth. We all can amen that the humanity (son) was a sacrifice for our sins. The humanity (son) was the lamb of God to take away the sin of the world. Why, because Jesus said God is a SPIRIT, and a SPIRIT doesn’t have flesh and bones, like after the humanity (son) resurrected had.


So, therefore God WAS manifested in the flesh.

Th question is, is God still manifested in the flesh?

Nicodemus1968 04-08-2021 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1602315)
Nico,
Jesus (not Paul, John, Mark, sorry tithe master..lol) called himself the son of God many years after his resurrection. What do you make of that?
Who died on the cross, God or the Son?

TGBTG 04-08-2021 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602319)
Who died on the cross, God or the Son?
Acts20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

To your question- There is no “God or the son”. They are the same.

TGBTG 04-08-2021 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602318)
We all understand why we have the humanity of Jesus (son) on this earth. We all can amen that the humanity (son) was a sacrifice for our sins. The humanity (son) was the lamb of God to take away the sin of the world. Why, because Jesus said God is a SPIRIT, and a SPIRIT doesn’t have flesh and bones, like after the humanity (son) resurrected had.


So, therefore God WAS manifested in the flesh.

Th question is, is God still manifested in the flesh?
Yes, God is still manifested in flesh. Jesus literally called himself the son of God in the book of revelation. That would show that God is still manifested in flesh (albeit, now with a glorified body)

Originalist 04-08-2021 02:44 PM
Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602300)
Why would he be a man? The cross was completed, the humanity was the perfect sacrifice.
So the MAN Christ Jesus is not the one Mediator between God and man?

TGBTG 04-08-2021 02:48 PM
Re: Trinitarians Who Baptize in Jesus Name
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1602302)
Allow me to make it simple, if I may. Yes or no question:


Do you believe Jesus is currently the Son of God?

It is not a complicated question. A one word answer will be best.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1602310)
No.

I believe Jesus is God.

Simple as that.
When did Jesus stop being the son of God?


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