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bishoph 03-12-2008 06:44 PM

Matters of The Heart
 
Let me first say that, I believe 150% in pastoral authority and submission to the same. Having said that, when it comes to inter-church dating:

1. How much should the respective pastors be involved with the dating/engagement/marriage process?

2. If one of the pastors do not feel the relationship should progress, how should that be handled?

3. If the saved parents give their approval/disapproval, how much should that effect the pastor's opinion?

4. If one pastor is against the relationship based on a dislike of the other pastor/organization etc, is the couple in rebellion to spiritual authority if they continue their relationship?

(For the sake of discussion, assume all people involved are Apostolic but attend different churches)

Rhoni 03-12-2008 07:01 PM

Re: Matters of The Heart
 
Unless the Pastor is asked for counseling or advice about a relationship, He/she should just pray about it and not approach the couple.

One of the only exceptions to this rule would be if he knew of legal and/or sinful issues associated with one or other of the parties involved and knew they other was unaware.

Pastor Keith 03-12-2008 07:13 PM

Re: Matters of The Heart
 
According to the Apostle Paul the only qualification for the suitability of a partner for marriage is that they be a believer. Beyond that I am slow to get involved in who people marry, if so it will come back to bite you.

I think that parents should be involved much in this, also I hate to say it but stats show that arranged marriages do much better than what we currently experience here.

Kings Kid 03-12-2008 07:16 PM

Re: Matters of The Heart
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 412965)
Let me first say that, I believe 150% in pastoral authority and submission to the same. Having said that, when it comes to inter-church dating:

1. How much should the respective pastors be involved with the dating/engagement/marriage process?

2. If one of the pastors do not feel the relationship should progress, how should that be handled?

3. If the saved parents give their approval/disapproval, how much should that effect the pastor's opinion?

4. If one pastor is against the relationship based on a dislike of the other pastor/organization etc, is the couple in rebellion to spiritual authority if they continue their relationship?

(For the sake of discussion, assume all people involved are Apostolic but attend different churches)

Our church is kind of dealing with very issue right now. Her fiancee goes go a church that is about twenty minutes from us and our pastors don't get along with the pastor from the other church.

chosenbyone 03-12-2008 07:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 412976)
According to the Apostle Paul the only qualification for the suitability of a partner for marriage is that they be a believer. Beyond that I am slow to get involved in who people marry, if so it will come back to bite you.

I think that parents should be involved much in this, also I hate to say it but stats show that arranged marriages do much better than what we currently experience here.

I think your approach is well balanced. :scripture

chosenbyone 03-12-2008 07:45 PM

Re: Matters of The Heart
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kings Kid (Post 412977)
Our church is kind of dealing with very issue right now. Her fiancee goes go a church that is about twenty minutes from us and our pastors don't get along with the pastor from the other church.

Why am I not surprised? :ohplease

Praxeas 03-12-2008 07:54 PM

Re: Matters of The Heart
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 412965)
Let me first say that, I believe 150% in pastoral authority and submission to the same. Having said that, when it comes to inter-church dating:

1. How much should the respective pastors be involved with the dating/engagement/marriage process?

2. If one of the pastors do not feel the relationship should progress, how should that be handled?

3. If the saved parents give their approval/disapproval, how much should that effect the pastor's opinion?

4. If one pastor is against the relationship based on a dislike of the other pastor/organization etc, is the couple in rebellion to spiritual authority if they continue their relationship?

(For the sake of discussion, assume all people involved are Apostolic but attend different churches)

I don't believe a Pastor was meant to micro manage saints lives at all. He might give suggestions but the Pastor should not hold "pastoral authority" over someone's head.

freeatlast 03-12-2008 08:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 412995)
I don't believe a Pastor was meant to micro manage saints lives at all. He might give suggestions but the Pastor should not hold "pastoral authority" over someone's head.


I'm going to agree with you here Prax.

A_PoMo 03-12-2008 11:58 PM

Re: Matters of The Heart
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 412995)
I don't believe a Pastor was meant to micro manage saints lives at all. He might give suggestions but the Pastor should not hold "pastoral authority" over someone's head.

Ya, I'm not sure it's much the pastor's business. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not. Well, I'm very sure it's not. The pastor is a shepherd not a Pope.

TRFrance 03-13-2008 12:38 AM

Re: Matters of The Heart
 
If they're both saved, and in doctrinally solid churches, the pastor should be careful not to be too heavy handed in his approach, even if he has reservations about the relationship or potential marriage.

If there are moral issues, criminal issues, or other serious issues that the pastor is aware of regarding the other potential mate, he should certainly bring that up, and express his reservations/disapproval of the situation if he feels that strongly about it.

At the end of the day,however, the pastor has to let the person make their own decision. If it comes down to it, if he feels his church member is being rebellious or unwise in the decision to marry this person, he can just politely decline to participate in the wedding ceremony, stating his reasons why, and then leave it in God's hands.

But its not his place to explicitly forbid the marriage of two Apostolic adults who wish to marry.


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