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Praxeas 03-29-2008 07:31 PM
Leadership Arrogance
 
This verse is interesting, and this is by no means an attack on pastors or leaders. Rather it should serve as a warning to all of us to not be full of ourselves and our positions

Joh 7:44 Some of them wanted to arrest him, but no one laid hands on him.
Joh 7:45 The officers then came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, "Why did you not bring him?"
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, "No one ever spoke like this man!"
Joh 7:47 The Pharisees answered them, "Have you also been deceived?
Joh 7:48 Have any of the authorities or the Pharisees believed in him?
Joh 7:49 But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed."
Joh 7:50 Nicodemus, who had gone to him before, and who was one of them, said to them,
Joh 7:51 "Does our law judge a man without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?"
Joh 7:52 They replied, "Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee."

It's interesting that these men were so arrogant in themselves to tell these men that Jesus was a deceiver based on whether or not any of the Pharisees believed in him. And they they even insult Nicodemus after his insisting the law does not judge a man without first hearing. In these men's mind they had tried and convicted Jesus without any due process and they never intended one. Even in the end when they brought false witnesses against him, they did not even want to think of the notion that Jesus might be the True Messiah...they had to rig a jury.

jaxfam6 03-29-2008 07:57 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 427575)
This verse is interesting, and this is by no means an attack on pastors or leaders. Rather it should serve as a warning to all of us to not be full of ourselves and our positions

Joh 7:44 Some of them wanted to arrest him, but no one laid hands on him.
Joh 7:45 The officers then came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, "Why did you not bring him?"
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, "No one ever spoke like this man!"
Joh 7:47 The Pharisees answered them, "Have you also been deceived?
Joh 7:48 Have any of the authorities or the Pharisees believed in him?
Joh 7:49 But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed."
Joh 7:50 Nicodemus, who had gone to him before, and who was one of them, said to them,
Joh 7:51 "Does our law judge a man without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?"
Joh 7:52 They replied, "Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee."

It's interesting that these men were so arrogant in themselves to tell these men that Jesus was a deceiver based on whether or not any of the Pharisees believed in him. And they they even insult Nicodemus after his insisting the law does not judge a man without first hearing. In these men's mind they had tried and convicted Jesus without any due process and they never intended one. Even in the end when they brought false witnesses against him, they did not even want to think of the notion that Jesus might be the True Messiah...they had to rig a jury.
I seem to know a lot of Pharisees. HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

OP_Carl 03-29-2008 08:50 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 427596)
I seem to know a lot of Pharisees. HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I seem to know a lot of forum members who see a Pharisee hiding behind every bush.

jaxfam6 03-29-2008 08:51 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 427619)
I seem to know a lot of forum members who see a Pharisee hiding behind every bush.
Get out from behind the bushes then.

:ursofunny

OP_Carl 03-29-2008 10:07 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 427619)
I seem to know a lot of forum members who see a Pharisee hiding behind every bush.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 427620)
Get out from behind the bushes then.

:ursofunny
If it was truly me hiding in the bushes, yonder bushwhackees would NEVER see it coming!
:drawguns
:hunter
:lol

Cindy 03-29-2008 10:15 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 427575)
This verse is interesting, and this is by no means an attack on pastors or leaders. Rather it should serve as a warning to all of us to not be full of ourselves and our positions

Joh 7:44 Some of them wanted to arrest him, but no one laid hands on him.
Joh 7:45 The officers then came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, "Why did you not bring him?"
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, "No one ever spoke like this man!"
Joh 7:47 The Pharisees answered them, "Have you also been deceived?
Joh 7:48 Have any of the authorities or the Pharisees believed in him?
Joh 7:49 But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed."
Joh 7:50 Nicodemus, who had gone to him before, and who was one of them, said to them,
Joh 7:51 "Does our law judge a man without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?"
Joh 7:52 They replied, "Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee."

It's interesting that these men were so arrogant in themselves to tell these men that Jesus was a deceiver based on whether or not any of the Pharisees believed in him. And they they even insult Nicodemus after his insisting the law does not judge a man without first hearing. In these men's mind they had tried and convicted Jesus without any due process and they never intended one. Even in the end when they brought false witnesses against him, they did not even want to think of the notion that Jesus might be the True Messiah...they had to rig a jury.

So, who ya callin a pharisee?:kickcan

OP_Carl 03-29-2008 10:18 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 427672)
So, who ya callin a pharisee?:kickcan
Anybody who he thinks acts like the Sanhedrin in this circumstance.

Pretty much everybody is under suspicion. Work on your alibi.

Praxeas 03-29-2008 10:20 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 427673)
Anybody who he thinks acts like the Sanhedrin in this circumstance.

Pretty much everybody is under suspicion. Work on your alibi.
Sad. If you read the verses the only ones it applies to are those that assume they are right because they are leaders or authorities.

Im wasting my time here lol

Brother Price 03-29-2008 10:21 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
I am not a Sanhedrin..

I am a Dutch Scottish German Native American. :ursofunny

Cindy 03-29-2008 10:22 PM
Re: Leadership Arrogance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 427676)
Sad. If you read the verses the only ones it applies to are those that assume they are right because they are leaders or authorities.

Im wasting my time here lol
Well, okay you're lucky then I thought I was gonna have to hurt you........:laffatu


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