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mizpeh 04-10-2008 09:44 AM
Irenic...my new favorite word
 
Irenic means to : favoring, conducive to, or operating toward peace, moderation, or conciliation

The quote below is an excerpt from a letter written by John Newton to a minister friend who was about to write an article criticizing a fellow minister for his lack of orthodoxy, and wrote to John Newton of his intention. John Newton wrote in his second paragraph:


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As to your opponent, I wish that before you set pen to paper against him, and during the whole time you are preparing your answer, you may commend him by earnest prayer to the Lord’s teaching and blessing. This practice will have a direct tendency to conciliate your heart to love and pity him; and such a disposition will have a good influence upon every page you write. If you account him a believer, though greatly mistaken in the subject of debate between you, the words of David to Joab concerning Absalom, are very applicable: “Deal gently with him for my sake.” The Lord loves him and bears with him; therefore you must not despise him, or treat him harshly. The Lord bears with you likewise, and expects that you should show tenderness to others, from a sense of the much forgiveness you need yourself. In a little while you will meet in heaven; he will then be dearer to you than the nearest friend you have upon earth is to you now. Anticipate that period in your thoughts; and though you may find it necessary to oppose his errors, view him personally as a kindred soul, with whom you are to be happy in Christ forever.
Here's the letter in full: http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blo...h-controversy/

mizpeh 04-10-2008 09:49 AM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
Here's another excerpt: Attitude matters! How we approach believers and non believers is important!

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There will be likewise many who pay too little regard to religion, to have any settled system of their own, and yet are pre-engaged in favor of those sentiments which are at least repugnant to the good opinion men naturally have of themselves. These are very incompetent judges of doctrine; but they can form a tolerable judgment of a writer’s spirit. They know that meekness, humility and love are the characteristics of a Christian temper; and though they affect to treat the doctrines of grace as mere notions and speculations, which, supposing they adopted them, would have no salutary influence upon their conduct; yet from us, who profess these principles, they always expect such dispositions as correspond with the precepts of the gospel. They are quick-sighted to discern when we deviate from such a spirit, and avail themselves of it to justify their contempt of our arguments. The Scriptural maxim, that “the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God,” is verified by daily observation. If our zeal is embittered by expressions of anger, invective, or scorn, we may think we are doing service of the cause of truth, when in reality we shall only bring it into discredit. The weapons of our warfare, and which alone are powerful to break down the strongholds of error, are not carnal, but spiritual; arguments fairly drawn from Scripture and experience, and enforced by such a mild address, as may persuade our readers, that, whether we can convince them or not, we wish well to their souls, and contend only for the truth’s sake; if we can satisfy them that we act upon these motives, our point is half gained; they will be more disposed to consider calmly what we offer; and if they should still dissent from our opinions, they will be constrained to approve our intentions.

Pressing-On 04-10-2008 09:49 AM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
Good post, Mizpeh!

You are reminding me a scripture the Lord gave me concerning a situation in my life. In fact the Lord reminded me of this very scripture on three occasions.

II Thessalonians 314 "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. (15) Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

mizpeh 04-10-2008 10:09 AM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 437373)
Good post, Mizpeh!

You are reminding me a scripture the Lord gave me concerning a situation in my life. In fact the Lord reminded me of this very scripture on three occasions.

II Thessalonians 314 "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. (15) Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."
That's a good scripture! What is in our heart, our attitude toward our fellow man is the important thing. If we were to see others through the eyes of our Lord, we might not say or think or do some of the things we do.

dizzyde 04-10-2008 11:40 AM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
I love this thread! Attitude is huge in our walk with God and with our relationships with each other, it is one of those things that we (I) struggle with the most, I think. Thanks for sharing this Miz, and the link, I am going to be reading this frequently.

Ferd 04-10-2008 11:45 AM
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Incredible. reading thru the actual letter is amazing... im not done yet...

StillStanding 04-10-2008 12:48 PM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
Good thread! :thumbsup

Pressing-On 04-10-2008 01:20 PM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
Wanted to bump this portion again. Loved it!!!!!

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There will be likewise many who pay too little regard to religion, to have any settled system of their own, and yet are pre-engaged in favor of those sentiments which are at least repugnant to the good opinion men naturally have of themselves. These are very incompetent judges of doctrine; but they can form a tolerable judgment of a writer’s spirit. They know that meekness, humility and love are the characteristics of a Christian temper; and though they affect to treat the doctrines of grace as mere notions and speculations, which, supposing they adopted them, would have no salutary influence upon their conduct; yet from us, who profess these principles, they always expect such dispositions as correspond with the precepts of the gospel. They are quick-sighted to discern when we deviate from such a spirit, and avail themselves of it to justify their contempt of our arguments. The Scriptural maxim, that “the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God,” is verified by daily observation. If our zeal is embittered by expressions of anger, invective, or scorn, we may think we are doing service of the cause of truth, when in reality we shall only bring it into discredit. The weapons of our warfare, and which alone are powerful to break down the strongholds of error, are not carnal, but spiritual; arguments fairly drawn from Scripture and experience, and enforced by such a mild address, as may persuade our readers, that, whether we can convince them or not, we wish well to their souls, and contend only for the truth’s sake; if we can satisfy them that we act upon these motives, our point is half gained; they will be more disposed to consider calmly what we offer; and if they should still dissent from our opinions, they will be constrained to approve our intentions.
Good stuff!!! :thumbsup

mizpeh 04-10-2008 05:41 PM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 437537)
Wanted to bump this portion again. Loved it!!!!!



Good stuff!!! :thumbsup
PO,

You should click on the link in the first post and read the entire letter. Knowing this guy writes from a Calvinist perspective and some of the things he said from that perspective makes you realize you cannot paint everyone with a broadbrush.

Barb 04-10-2008 06:25 PM
Re: Irenic...my new favorite word
 
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 437443)
I love this thread! Attitude is huge in our walk with God and with our relationships with each other, it is one of those things that we (I) struggle with the most, I think. Thanks for sharing this Miz, and the link, I am going to be reading this frequently.
You are right, diz...attitude IS huge in our walk with God and relationships...huge!!

Good thread, miz...


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