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SDG 05-20-2008 09:41 AM
Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't so.
 
Question ... could someone, in some OP circles, be saved if both the baptizer and baptizee were deaf and mute and did not know how to sign ? Would they be obeying Acts 2:38 if the proper name was not invoked over them by the baptizer during baptism or the believer did not speak in tongues if it was all done in their head?

RandyWayne 05-20-2008 10:02 AM
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
 
Quote:
Question ... could someone, in some OP circles, be saved if both the baptizer and baptizee were deaf and mute and did not know how to sign ?
Of course not. Silly question.

Rhoni 05-20-2008 10:04 AM
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
 
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 467602)
Question ... could someone, in some OP circles, be saved if both the baptizer and baptizee were deaf and mute and did not know how to sign ? Would they be obeying Acts 2:38 if the proper name was not invoked over them by the baptizer during baptism or the believer did not speak in tongues if it was all done in their head?
Dan,

Don't your brain ever shut down?:toofunny

JamDat 05-20-2008 10:04 AM
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Is the batizee paying the baptizer with monopoly money or peanut shells? And if they video this act is there a portly person at the bottom of the screen in a circle to translate?

JamDat 05-20-2008 10:09 AM
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Could someone in any circle be saved if when being baptized, the praise and worship team were singing so loud that nobody could hear the pastor say any words and no deaf person or person of hearing could read lips at the baptism?

Cindy 05-20-2008 10:09 AM
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 467602)
Question ... could someone, in some OP circles, be saved if both the baptizer and baptizee were deaf and mute and did not know how to sign ? Would they be obeying Acts 2:38 if the proper name was not invoked over them by the baptizer during baptism or the believer did not speak in tongues if it was all done in their head?
I do know of a deaf mute that was saved. Although the person who baptized her was not as far as I know. I don't think the NAME has to be spoken out loud as long as the hearts of both know and of course our Father knows the intents of both hearts. It is not what is in the head Daniel, but what is in the heart, and we know God knows the intent of our hearts. That of course does not give ground to the scripture however, as we know we must be born again of the water and of the spirit. The death mute I speak of could make some sounds and could sign very well as could her family and some of her friends.

Rhoni 05-20-2008 10:14 AM
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I have been witness to deaf receiving the Holy Ghost just like everyone else, speakign in other tongues. When praying with a deaf you utilize sign and ask them to use their voice. They are baptized in Jesus name just like everyone else:) whether in sign or english, spanish...whatever:)

Blessings, Rhoni

SDG 05-20-2008 10:31 AM
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
 
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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 467632)
Dan,

Don't your brain ever shut down?:toofunny
Um ... no.

SDG 05-20-2008 10:45 AM
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
 
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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 467655)
I have been witness to deaf receiving the Holy Ghost just like everyone else, speakign in other tongues. When praying with a deaf you utilize sign and ask them to use their voice. They are baptized in Jesus name just like everyone else:) whether in sign or english, spanish...whatever:)

Blessings, Rhoni

By virtue ... a deaf person can speak ... but my question applies to a deaf/mute ...

Truthseeker 05-20-2008 10:50 AM
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Can't they just sign in tongues??


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