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Jack Shephard 05-22-2008 06:08 PM
Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Hello all I touched on this in another thread on another topic about the FL revival. Tell me what you think.

In the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh.....

We keep talking about the 'soon to come' revival that will hit the OP church. Where is it? My real question, why is that everytime a revival and a move of God hits like the one in FL OP's look at it and try to find the wrong in it. We often try to discount it...that is our make-up. i believe we are missing it....the revival is here and yet we sit still waiting on it to arrive. We are like the Jews, waiting on the Messiah but the fact is we missed His first appearing! Are we waiting for a revival to come here and claim it is STILL to come, but yet it is actually here? Since it is not the same color, same shape, same smell, SAME LOOK, same family, same Org, same feel then it ain't the 'real thing.' Are we missing it? I believe so....what say ye?

Remember the world is burning for revival so is the church, but we want it the way we want it...the world will take it any way they can get it!

OneAccord 05-22-2008 06:28 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Brother, as long as we try to split the outpouring of the Holy Ghost along doctrinal and or organizational lines, we will never see it. God is not divided. He pours His Spirit upon all flesh. ALL flesh. I remember the 70's and the "Jesus People". God began to move among them in a mighty way. What did we do? We snarled our nose at it and said it wasn't of God... We lifted not one finger to try to coax those long-haired, hippie Jesus freaks into the fullness of truth. We're Apostolic people involved in the Healing Revival? No... cause it ws being led by (egads!) Trinity preachers.

I've heard "revivals" like Brownstown and Smithton mocked and ridiculed, yet, except for small pockets of revival, the Apostolic Church bears little resemblence to Joels prophecy of Joel 2:28. And we claim to have ALL TRUTH. And I think you are right... we want it our way. We want the Joel 2:28 experience, we just don't want to have to endure the Joel 2:17 experience to get it. And we'll never have the one without the other.

Revival that resembles anything like Joel 2;28 isn't born at headquarters. Its not born in a committee room and it doesn't come through a craftily planned program. It is born in the Prayer Closet. A sacrifice must be made to inherit a blessing. The fact is... the Apostolic movement is a divided movement. Plain and simple. And as long as that is the case, and we seem to want it to remain that way.... we'll continue to be left on the bench while "the other team" scores.

Cindy 05-22-2008 06:44 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 470006)
Brother, as long as we try to split the outpouring of the Holy Ghost along doctrinal and or organizational lines, we will never see it. God is not divided. He pours His Spirit upon all flesh. ALL flesh. I remember the 70's and the "Jesus People". God began to move among them in a mighty way. What did we do? We snarled our nose at it and said it wasn't of God... We lifted not one finger to try to coax those long-haired, hippie Jesus freaks into the fullness of truth. We're Apostolic people involved in the Healing Revival? No... cause it ws being led by (egads!) Trinity preachers.

I've heard "revivals" like Brownstown and Smithton mocked and ridiculed, yet, except for small pockets of revival, the Apostolic Church bears little resemblence to Joels prophecy of Joel 2:28. And we claim to have ALL TRUTH. And I think you are right... we want it our way. We want the Joel 2:28 experience, we just don't want to have to endure the Joel 2:17 experience to get it. And we'll never have the one without the other.

Revival that resembles anything like Joel 2;28 isn't born at headquarters. Its not born in a committee room and it doesn't come through a craftily planned program. It is born in the Prayer Closet. A sacrifice must be made to inherit a blessing. The fact is... the Apostolic movement is a divided movement. Plain and simple. And as long as that is the case, and we seem to want it to remain that way.... we'll continue to be left on the bench while "the other team" scores.

The more things change the more things stay the same. I believe the next revival will not be in America.

Cindy 05-22-2008 06:45 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 469997)
Hello all I touched on this in another thread on another topic about the FL revival. Tell me what you think.

In the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh.....

We keep talking about the 'soon to come' revival that will hit the OP church. Where is it? My real question, why is that everytime a revival and a move of God hits like the one in FL OP's look at it and try to find the wrong in it. We often try to discount it...that is our make-up. i believe we are missing it....the revival is here and yet we sit still waiting on it to arrive. We are like the Jews, waiting on the Messiah but the fact is we missed His first appearing! Are we waiting for a revival to come here and claim it is STILL to come, but yet it is actually here? Since it is not the same color, same shape, same smell, SAME LOOK, same family, same Org, same feel then it ain't the 'real thing.' Are we missing it? I believe so....what say ye?

Remember the world is burning for revival so is the church, but we want it the way we want it...the world will take it any way they can get it!
I don't think we are hungry or humbled enough yet JT.

OneAccord 05-22-2008 06:51 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 470022)
I don't think we are hungry or humbled enough yet JT.
It all hinges on that great big word at the beginning of your sig line....IF.

Quote:
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Cindy 05-22-2008 06:57 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 470025)
It all hinges on that great big word at the beginning of your sig line....IF.
I think one of the hardest things for us to do is humble ourselves. And one of the most important things we are suppose to do is humble ourselves before our Father. He didn't have to send His Son here to shed his blood, but He did. Yet we are so arrogant in response sometimes, no wonder he gets so frustrated with us. And instead of sharing Him with others the way he commanded us to, we want to do it our way. But you know He always found a way to humble people. Then He poured out of Himself on us. Blessings we cannot contain, so that they spill out to others.

Praxeas 05-22-2008 07:00 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 469997)
Hello all I touched on this in another thread on another topic about the FL revival. Tell me what you think.

In the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh.....

We keep talking about the 'soon to come' revival that will hit the OP church. Where is it? My real question, why is that everytime a revival and a move of God hits like the one in FL OP's look at it and try to find the wrong in it. We often try to discount it...that is our make-up. i believe we are missing it....the revival is here and yet we sit still waiting on it to arrive. We are like the Jews, waiting on the Messiah but the fact is we missed His first appearing! Are we waiting for a revival to come here and claim it is STILL to come, but yet it is actually here? Since it is not the same color, same shape, same smell, SAME LOOK, same family, same Org, same feel then it ain't the 'real thing.' Are we missing it? I believe so....what say ye?

Remember the world is burning for revival so is the church, but we want it the way we want it...the world will take it any way they can get it!
First of all by what reasoning is the entirety of Oneness Pentecostalism supposed to have "revival"? Any church be it Oneness or otherwise can be dead as a doornail and God is not going to force them to move if they refuse to move. They will be like Israel in the wilderness forever traveling around in circles.

Second...FL? Revival? Finding the wrong in it? Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about.

Revival is here. Revival is on the way...all sound like sound bites from various evangelists I have heard over the years.

Revival is neither here nor on the way. Revival Is not like a cloud that God sends you and suddenly you are having revival. BTW Im using the word revival in how it has come to mean. Literally it means to revive the dead. To revive churches that are dead. Any member of any local church can have revival and be on fire for God. Any local church can have the same. They need not wait for God to revive them. They need to seek God passionately and with an open mind and heart willing to hear and go whereever God says rather than to dictate to God how things ought to be. That is the problem with many who want revival but never get it. They have explicit expectations but God may be wanting to do things a little differently from how they have decided things should go.

Praxeas 05-22-2008 07:03 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 470006)
Brother, as long as we try to split the outpouring of the Holy Ghost along doctrinal and or organizational lines, we will never see it. God is not divided. He pours His Spirit upon all flesh. ALL flesh. I remember the 70's and the "Jesus People". God began to move among them in a mighty way. What did we do? We snarled our nose at it and said it wasn't of God... We lifted not one finger to try to coax those long-haired, hippie Jesus freaks into the fullness of truth. We're Apostolic people involved in the Healing Revival? No... cause it ws being led by (egads!) Trinity preachers.

I've heard "revivals" like Brownstown and Smithton mocked and ridiculed, yet, except for small pockets of revival, the Apostolic Church bears little resemblence to Joels prophecy of Joel 2:28. And we claim to have ALL TRUTH. And I think you are right... we want it our way. We want the Joel 2:28 experience, we just don't want to have to endure the Joel 2:17 experience to get it. And we'll never have the one without the other.

Revival that resembles anything like Joel 2;28 isn't born at headquarters. Its not born in a committee room and it doesn't come through a craftily planned program. It is born in the Prayer Closet. A sacrifice must be made to inherit a blessing. The fact is... the Apostolic movement is a divided movement. Plain and simple. And as long as that is the case, and we seem to want it to remain that way.... we'll continue to be left on the bench while "the other team" scores.
This has been and continues to be our problem as a movement. We are like dogs inside the house looking out the window at everyone passing by...Why do we need to care what other movements do or not do? I don't want to be preacher bashing so I won't mention this name, but I was watching a youtube video of on of our preachers at a camp and he was going on and on about how WE are not THEM (trinitarians)..It's alwasy US vs THEM. Just tell me how to get closer to God and stay there. Just tell me how to hear from God and be led by His Spirit. Just tell me how to be a better soul winner. I don't need a pep rally. I need more of His Spirit. Im not going to get it by making comparisons and making boastful claims about US (which is arrogant) and low claims about THEM.

Sam 05-22-2008 07:49 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Revival means resurrection life from the dead. See Romans 14:9 where it says that Jesus revived (rose from the dead).

Revival is happening all around us. Whenever a person who is dead in trespasses and sins receives the life/Spirit of God, his human spirit is revived.

Thousands of people are receiving the life of God all around us, especially in third world countries.

Let's stop using the term "revival" as a carrot on a stick with our preaching that "revival is just around the corner," and let's just enjoy the moving of God all around us. We saw times of "revival" in the early 1900's when the Holy Spirit was poured out in a special way. We saw other times of revival, new life, refreshing in the Spirit in the Healing movement and the Latter Rain movement of the nineteen forties, and in the Jesus movement, and the charismatic movement of the sixties, and in the third wave movement since then.

Kay B 05-22-2008 07:56 PM
Re: Where is the Revival we have been waiting for?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 470029)
I think one of the hardest things for us to do is humble ourselves. And one of the most important things we are suppose to do is humble ourselves before our Father. He didn't have to send His Son here to shed his blood, but He did. Yet we are so arrogant in response sometimes, no wonder he gets so frustrated with us. And instead of sharing Him with others the way he commanded us to, we want to do it our way. But you know He always found a way to humble people. Then He poured out of Himself on us. Blessings we cannot contain, so that they spill out to others.
Sis we have had this conversation before many times. It's all about our surrendering ourselves fully to Him. That's what I'm continuing to pray for, for all. Chocies..revival is here we can choose yes or no .


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