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Ron 06-17-2008 12:18 PM
P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
In Canada, the Supreme Court upheld about 4-6 years ago in a ruling by the court that Peer to peer file sharing at least as it pertains to music is not copyright infringement.

Many music artists agreed & even went to bat in a Texas court when American's were being targeted for prosecution.

In Canada, for about 4 years now there has been a federal levy on each blank cassette & CD/DVD of about 10 -25 cents each that went to recording artists.

There is a new law trying to be brought forward by the Government that would replace the old copy right law, but potentially give the Government, Police, and border guards more power to prosecute potential copyright infringement.

That being said, the clincher is how it will affect privacy rights.
Police will be able to examine your Ipod, Laptop, or home computer for possible infringement.

If you cross the border, the Canadian border guards can inspect these items in your possession at the time.

Can someone see a Police State in our future?

Ferd 06-17-2008 12:19 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 499485)
In Canada, the Supreme Court upheld about 4-6 years ago in a ruling by the court that Peer to peer file sharing at least as it pertains to music is not copyright infringement.

Many music artists agreed & even went to bat in a Texas court when American's were being targeted for prosecution.

In Canada, for about 4 years now there has been a federal levy on each blank cassette & CD/DVD of about 10 -25 cents each that went to recording artists.

There is a new law trying to be brought forward by the Government that would replace the old copy right law, but potentially give the Government, Police, and border guards more power to prosecute potential copyright infringement.

That being said, the clincher is how it will affect privacy rights.
Police will be able to examine your Ipod, Laptop, or home computer for possible infringement.

If you cross the border, the Canadian border guards can inspect these items in your possession at the time.

Can someone see a Police State in our future?
Dude, we have been telling you Canadians that for years.

its the price you pay for liberal government.

Ron 06-17-2008 12:27 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 499488)
Dude, we have been telling you Canadians that for years.

its the price you pay for liberal government.
Uh, Ferd, it is a Conservative Government that is proposing this legislation.

The Liberals are the ones protesting.:happydance

clgustaveson 06-17-2008 12:36 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 499485)
In Canada, the Supreme Court upheld about 4-6 years ago in a ruling by the court that Peer to peer file sharing at least as it pertains to music is not copyright infringement.

Many music artists agreed & even went to bat in a Texas court when American's were being targeted for prosecution.

In Canada, for about 4 years now there has been a federal levy on each blank cassette & CD/DVD of about 10 -25 cents each that went to recording artists.

There is a new law trying to be brought forward by the Government that would replace the old copy right law, but potentially give the Government, Police, and border guards more power to prosecute potential copyright infringement.

That being said, the clincher is how it will affect privacy rights.
Police will be able to examine your Ipod, Laptop, or home computer for possible infringement.

If you cross the border, the Canadian border guards can inspect these items in your possession at the time.

Can someone see a Police State in our future?
Right, this doesn't happen America because there a nerds like me that use CDs for data and my iPhone for music.

Why should I pay for other peoples uses, the US takes that kind of thing into consideration and tries not to infringe on the profits of companies such as Memorex.

It's just not a logical solution to an answer, and it is ridiculous Canada ruled it wasn't copyright infringement...

Ron 06-17-2008 12:39 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by clgustaveson (Post 499500)
Right, this doesn't happen America because there a nerds like me that use CDs for data and my iPhone for music.

Why should I pay for other peoples uses, the US takes that kind of thing into consideration and tries not to infringe on the profits of companies such as Memorex.

It's just not a logical solution to an answer, and it is ridiculous Canada ruled it wasn't copyright infringement...
Right, what about the Privacy issue of this proposed legislation?

clgustaveson 06-17-2008 12:45 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 499491)
Uh, Ferd, it is a Conservative Government that is proposing this legislation.

The Liberals are the ones protesting.:happydance
If they are for this legislation then they are not conservative, that is a social liberal concept if I ever saw one.

Now, I am not sure about Canada but in the past decade we have had a shift in the vocabulary. The conservative philosophy is really classical liberalism while liberalism is social liberalism. There is also a neoconservative movement that is large government consertism which is similar to some of the Bush policies.

Anyway, that is not a conservative mentality and anyone that is for it is not a conservative.

Ferd 06-17-2008 12:47 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 499491)
Uh, Ferd, it is a Conservative Government that is proposing this legislation.

The Liberals are the ones protesting.:happydance
Ron, your conservitives are still liberals! LOL!

Ferd 06-17-2008 12:50 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Cliff, the concept of conservitism in Canada extends from the European kind that lends itself to totalitarian government.

Ameican Conservitism has a vastly different source. American Concervitism stems from the Liberalism of the Enlightenment. John Locke and such....


We tend to fight over wheither or not the government should take care of us or not.

Canadians and Europeans tend to fight over how the government should take care of them.

clgustaveson 06-17-2008 12:53 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 499523)
Cliff, the concept of conservitism in Canada extends from the European kind that lends itself to totalitarian government.

Ameican Conservitism has a vastly different source. American Concervitism stems from the Liberalism of the Enlightenment. John Locke and such....


We tend to fight over wheither or not the government should take care of us or not.

Canadians and Europeans tend to fight over how the government should take care of them.
Who's Cliff?

The concepts are still the same. Our conservatives are the liberals of the rest of the world.

Ron 06-17-2008 12:58 PM
Re: P2P Downloading & Privacy Issues
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 499523)
Cliff, the concept of conservitism in Canada extends from the European kind that lends itself to totalitarian government.

Ameican Conservitism has a vastly different source. American Concervitism stems from the Liberalism of the Enlightenment. John Locke and such....


We tend to fight over wheither or not the government should take care of us or not.

Canadians and Europeans tend to fight over how the government should take care of them.
Actually, we have Conservatives in Government in Canada (Provincial & Federal) that would make most Americans blush.

They are a lot more Conservative than you think they are.


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