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Baron1710 07-10-2008 05:27 AM

Why I break the law
 
There have been a number of posts on here trying to bring Christians back under the curse of the law. Some want us to obey dietary laws, others just random ones they have picked. The law is finished I do not live under the law. It matters not if you see it as a dispensation or a covenant. The Old Covenant is done. Finished. Complete. Why would you want to follow something weak and useless, and obsolete when we have a better covenant?

Hebrews 7
11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Ch 8
7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
9It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear
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Jermyn Davidson 07-10-2008 05:36 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
"Sin shall not be my master. For I am not under law, but under grace."

Baron1710 07-10-2008 05:45 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
Paul calls the Galatians fools for returning to the law.

Galatians 3
Faith or Observance of the Law
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?

4 Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing?
5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d]
12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[e]
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f]
14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Baron1710 07-10-2008 05:50 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
Galatians 3:19
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.

Last I checked that Seed has come.

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

People of faith don't need the law.

Brad Murphy 07-10-2008 05:51 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
I have no interest in pretending to be Jewish... I liken it to the white suburban kids who try to be black. I'm a Caucasian of Irish descent, not sure why I would want to be Jewish, or Italian, or Russian, or German, etc. I'm happy with my actual heritage and do not need a pretend one.

Rico 07-10-2008 07:45 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
Faith in Christ establishes the law.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:31 (KJV)


God's law still exists, Bro. Otherwise, there would no longer be such a thing as sin or righteousness.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 (KJV)

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4 (KJV)

The difference between back then and now is that God puts His laws on our minds and writes them in our hearts.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:10 (KJV)

In my opinion, it's dangerous ground to be on to think that everything pertaining to the law has been done away with. Thinking along those lines opens the door for a false sense of security to take hold in people where they think they can sin freely without having to worry about the consequences. I will go so far as to say that this misunderstanding concerning the law is what leads people into believing doctrines like once saved always saved and error concerning grace. Faith in Christ buys us the righteousness found in the law, but it doesn't free us to sin. It frees us from sin and its power to dominate our lives.

MamaHen 07-10-2008 07:53 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523765)
Paul calls the Galatians fools for returning to the law.

Very true. If you read the book of Galatians, not just scripture by scripture, but read it as a letter as it was written, the entire letter is about them allowing themselves to be put back into the bondage of the law, and bringing back in the customs and "rules" of the past. Paul is setting them straight!

I think people "proof text" too much by taking a scripture here and a scripture there (out of context) to prove their points...but if you read the WHOLE letter, the whole story and look at the bigger picture....the image is much clearer....and very different.

Baron1710 07-10-2008 07:56 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
Rico,
Ask yourself why 2 books of the New Testament were written about the law passing away, being inferior, and not for today. In context Paul’s reference to another Gospel is those who would force Christians to obey the law.

If righteousness was found in the law then Christ dies in vain.

Rico 07-10-2008 08:12 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523818)
Rico,
Ask yourself why 2 books of the New Testament were written about the law passing away, being inferior, and not for today. In context Paul’s reference to another Gospel is those who would force Christians to obey the law.

If righteousness was found in the law then Christ dies in vain.

Baron, what I find interesting is the very same books you claim prove your point have other verses in them to keep people from falling into the trap of getting the wrong idea concerning this "doing away with the law." Ask yourself this one question: Is breaking one of the ten commandments still a sin or not? If you believe it's still a sin to commit murder then you are establishing the righteousness found in the law, because the law says murder is a sin. I will agree that we are not bound by the sacrifices prescribed in the law, because Jesus is the only sacrifice we need to obtain forgiveness of sin. This does not, however, change the fact that sin is the transgression of the law. You do a good job of presenting one part of what the NT says concerning the law, but you are leaving out the other parts that are there to act as a counter weight to keep people from getting the wrong idea about what Paul is trying say.

Baron1710 07-10-2008 08:19 AM

Re: Why I break the law
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 523826)
Baron, what I find interesting is the very same books you claim prove your point have other verses in them to keep people from falling into the trap of getting the wrong idea concerning this "doing away with the law." Ask yourself this one question: Is breaking one of the ten commandments still a sin or not? If you believe it's still a sin to commit murder then you are establishing the righteousness found in the law, because the law says murder is a sin. I will agree that we are not bound by the sacrifices prescribed in the law, because Jesus is the only sacrifice we need to obtain forgiveness of sin. This does not, however, change the fact that sin is the transgression of the law. You do a good job of presenting one part of what the NT says concerning the law, but you are leaving out the other parts that are there to act as a counter weight to keep people from getting the wrong idea about what Paul is trying say.

When Jesus established a New Covenant he established new laws, just like it says in Hebrews. It is not only wrong to murder under the New Covenant you can't hate your brother either. If it is only found in the law it stays there.


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