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Canadians- I have a question

One of our preachers this Sunday made a statement about some law in Canada which makes expressing your beliefs sometimes into a "hate crime". I am always skeptical when I hear these sort of things. What is the straight story on this law? The example given was a minister stating from the pulpit about homosexuality being a sin and will send you to hell. If this has been discussed I must have missed it and I apologize.

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Originally Posted by Mosby48 (Post 546574)

Technically, that is correct. A homosexual can do such a thing.
It is weird, a comedian doing a stand up at comedy club was being heckled by a lesbian.

The comedian to a pot shot at her lesbianism & she is taking him to the Canadian Human Rights commission.
Thing is, it is worldly sinner people who are standing up for the comedian under the guise of freedom of speech.

Canada in that regards is in a bad place spiritually & desperately needs revival.

USA isn't too far behind.........wait, no I am wrong, most Americans believe in God so they are going to Heaven!!:whistle

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 546684)

We are going route Canada?? hor-ee-blay

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Here is the relevant portion of the Canadian Criminal Code with the portion that is relevant to church concerns highlighted.

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Criminal Code
PART VIII: OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSON AND REPUTATION

Hate Propaganda

Public incitement of hatred

319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Wilful promotion of hatred

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Defences

(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

An "identifiable group" is defined as:

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(4) In this section, “identifiable group” means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

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Thank you very much. That is what I needed. That's not quite as bad as was quoted, I would imagine by hearsay. Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 546684)

Technically, that is correct. A homosexual can do such a thing.
It is weird, a comedian doing a stand up at comedy club was being heckled by a lesbian.

The comedian to a pot shot at her lesbianism & she is taking him to the Canadian Human Rights commission.
Thing is, it is worldly sinner people who are standing up for the comedian under the guise of freedom of speech.

Canada in that regards is in a bad place spiritually & desperately needs revival.
USA isn't too far behind.........wait, no I am wrong, most Americans believe in God so they are going to Heaven!!:whistle

You certainly have that correct my friend

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I thought I heard something recently in the news concerning this... someone in that lifestyle upset with a minister...

My memory fails me.

Right now, as far as morally, we have a good leader. But most of the power in Canada is held by the courts and Bible believing people do walk on thin ice.

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Did any of you folks from Canadia (saw a dumb blonde on a sitcom call it that years ago - thought it was funny) see the demographic I posted a few weeks ago about Pentecostals in Canada?

It showed a considerable drop over soemthing like ten years in the number of Canadians who called themselves "Pentecostal".

I wondered though if maybe more are just calling themselves charismatics but are still Pentecostal?

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 547491)

Well I certainly can't speak for all Pentecostals in Canada... but I don't know very many people who call themselves "Charismatic"...
The trend I've seen is to go "non-denom". That could possibly account for the change.

And that is only a theory... no idea.
Did the stats you posted show "non-denom"? I wonder if "non-denom" has grown.

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Below are the religous stats from the 1991 vs. 2001 Census. Looks like they don't have a catagory for Charismatic or Non-denominational Christians but they do have a catagory
called "Christian Not Included Elsewhere"that doubled in those ten years so perhaps that is where some of the Pentecostals went. The Pentecostals went from 1.6 to 1.2, a 15% decline in those ten years.

The first number below is the 1991 Census and the next one is the 2001. The third number is the percentage change in that ten years.

Top Self-Identified Religious Affiliations in Canada 1991 2001 % change
(in numbers)
Number % Number %
Christian 81 77
- Roman & Old Catholic 12,203,625 45.2 12,936,905 43.6 +4.8
- Christian Orthodox 387,395 1.4 479,620 1.6 +23.8
- Coptic Orthodox 5,020 0.02 10,285 0.03 +104.9
- Romanian Orthodox 4,570 0.02 4,675 0.02 +2.3
- Total Other Christian 9,427,675 34.9 8,654,850 29.2 -8.2
- United Church of Canada 3,093,120 11.3 2,839,125 9.5 -8.2
- Anglican Church of Canada 2,188,110 8.0 2,035,495 6.8 -7.0
- Baptist 663,360 2.4 729,475 2.4 +10.0
- Lutheran 636,205 2.3 606,590 2.0 -4.7
- Presbyterian 636,295 2.3 409,830 1.4 -35.6
- Pentecostal 436,435 1.6 369,475 1.2 -15.3
- Mennonite 207,970 0.8 191,465 0.6 -7.9
- Jehovah's Witnesses 168,375 0.6 154,745 0.5 -8.1
- Methodist 83,910 0.3 106,545 0.4 +27.0
- Mormon 100,770 0.4 104,750 0.3 +3.9
- Salvation Army 112,345 0.4 87,785 0.3 -21.9
- Christian Reformed Church in North America 84,685 0.3 76,665 0.3 -9.5
- Christian and Missionary Alliance 59,365 0.2 66,280 0.2 +11.9
- Adventists 52,365 0.2 62,875 0.2 +20.1
- Christian, not included elsewhere¹ 353,040 1.3 780,450 2.6 +121.1 No religion 3,397,000 12.6 4,900,095 16.5 +44.2
Other
- Muslim 253,265 0.9 579,640 2.0 +128.9
- Jewish 318,185 1.2 329,995 1.1 +3.7
- Buddhist 163,415 0.6 300,345 1.0 +83.8
- Hindu 157,015 0.6 297,200 1.0 +89.3
- Sikh 147,440 0.5 278,410 0.9 +88.8
¹ Includes persons who report only “Christian”, only "Protestant", and those in denominations less than 60,000
* For comparability purposes, 1991 data are presented according to 2001 boundaries.

Sources: Statistics Canada[11][12][13]
Notes:

Roman & Old Catholic includes Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic, Polish National Catholic Church, and Old Catholic
Other Religions also includes Bahá'í Faith, Eckankar, Jainism, Shinto, Taoism, Zoroastrianism, Aboriginal belief systems, Neo-Paganism, Wicca, Unity - New Thought - Pantheist, Scientology, Rastafari movement, New Age, Gnostic, Satanism, et cetera
No Religion includes Atheism, Agnosticism, Humanism, et cetera