All of this socialism talk has me wondering
 

Hasn't forms of socialism been going on for decades in the U.S.? I mean for as long as I remember people who've paid nothing in have gotten benefits and handouts funded by tax payers.


Why suddenly is it such an outrage? Is it only because it could effect the wealthy in Obama's proposal?


All of this sudden outrage is a little strange.

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You better do your homework. Obama's plan will affect almost everyone that pays taxes.

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Really? Specifically, how would an 80,000 to 90000 per year combined couple be affected?

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We have a moral obligation to help those who can't help themselves
(handicap, elderly, retired vets, deserted mother, etc)

It's the FORCED redistribution of wealth that is dangerous.
And redistributed to WHO??? Often it's to those who only want
a free handout.

Do you want your hard earned money given to those types
or to your own kids for college, or to build your business,etc ???

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In the past, in recognition of the fact that the electorate historically is 60% conservative, and then some moderates/centrists, leftists and socialists needed to run as moderates or even as mildly conservative in order to get elected. Any socialism was held close to the vest, and put into policy stealthily.

Nowadays, with Republicans blatantly pushing for socialist policy in the mix of "conservative" agenda, the leftists must recognize that the time is ripe to take off the mask. There is a far greater percentage of the population that is open to socialist ideas, and there is a far greater percentage of the population that is oblivious and/or ignorant, than in the past, even the recent past. The implementation of socialist policies has been a creeping, incremental game. Many endeavors had to be couched in terms that would tap into white guilt, war sentiments, or civil unrest. During the long period of Democrat dominance, the radical leftists slowly infiltrated the national party and now they are in charge!

Some of us are still cognizant of the fact that back when patriotic Americans were still eager to bust communists in the chops, Saul Alinsky and William Ayers were the sorts of communists whose chops made the menu. It's clear that those whose values are wholly or in part inherited from the John Birch society or the Reagan defeat of communism can connect the dots and see that Obama is the most blatantly Marxist person to ever seek the presidency.

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When Bill Clinton raised the $250K and above crowds tax level up to 39%, I don't remember all of this boogie man socialism stuff. When GWB took office, he then lowered the $250K and above tax level back to 36%, it's pre-Clinton level.

Now Obama is proposing that rate be moved back up to the Clinton level of 39%, and now the uggie boogie socialists are forcing wealth redistribution on all of us. Why wasn't any of this brought up 16 years ago if the threats so real?

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In the past the intention was a leg up..a helping hand. But a redistribution f wealth is an entirely different dog altogether

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The founding fathers wouldn't even support the widows from the revolutionary war, because that wasn't what the government was for. The church should be taking care of the less fortunate. That is what charity is all about, not government. People have gotten so use to handouts they don't want to work for what they get. So many people know how to work the system and the ones who really need the help have to bend over backwards to get it. Socialism has been slowly creeping into this nation for a long time. It should have been irradiated back when it was a little seed. Now that it is a big weed it will be much harder to get rid of.

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Mike, you are either uninformed about the truth or you are purposely oversimplifying the obvious in order to dilute the problem BO has created for himself by telling Joe the Plumber he wanted to spread the wealth.

Obama embraces an ideology of wealth redistribution that goes farther than New Deal socialism. His recently revealed radio interview from 2001 in which he talks about "redistributive" opportunities missed during the civil rights movement. Its an agenda to take more from those who are successful, from those who are the main job creators, from those who invest into the businesses and companies that invent, that innovate, and that produce the products that make our economy competitive and progressive.

When BO says "I am going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut" he is not painting a full picture. 40% of Americans don't pay ANY taxes. He will give them basically free handouts, cutting them a check like a tax rebate, using the money taken from real tax payers (middle class and upper class).

BO says $250,000 and up will be the only ones who pay taxes. Then in a tv ad he says $200,000. Biden in an interview the other day said $150,000. The appearance that a hidden agenda is there is what has many people concerned. Obama's strong ties to very left leaning people and organizations along with his most liberal Senator status, recently voting to raise taxes on people making $42,000, and his "spread the wealth" response to Joe the Plumber makes labeling him a socialist and his policies socialism not so strange.

Its not "sudden outrage" (a nice attempt to obfuscate), its calling it what it is.

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Words for thought! Thankyou.
We have gottin so used to and expect the government to take care of everything...riiiiight.....Katrina was so well handled.
There is a difference between a hand UP and a hand OUT. We are used to the hand OUT for so long, we have no skills to acually take responsibility for ourselves. So the Obama plan is quite tempting to those who expect the government to take care of them...forever.

Family is suppose to take care of their widows and I have always felt that churchs should help the community,then very little help by the city would be need.
A hand UP, by the state/government for a time, for those who can function, and to not penalize them for wanting to fend or do better for themselves by taking away all the help all at once, right away. That's one of the reasons why some won't even try to go to work.
IMHO