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ILG 04-03-2007 09:02 AM

Do You Believe in Global Warming?
 
Do you Believe in Global Warming? Please Vote.

crakjak 04-03-2007 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 62297)
Do you Believe in Global Warming? Please Vote.

I have no faith what so ever in any issue headed by Al Gore. Even though I do use the internet that he invented.:slaphappy

Ron 04-03-2007 09:13 AM

I believe there is "some" Gllobal Warming" but not on the scale, nor for the reason they say it is.

I was shown by someone who I am witnessing to who did his own research asnd he showed that the Sun's orbit has changed and that the Solar Storms are at a maximum.
http://www.ses-americom.com/americom...r_Cycle_24.php

I think that we are over reacting, and putting too much stock in Scientists.

Ron 04-03-2007 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 62302)
I have no faith what so ever in any issue headed by Al Gore. Even though I do use the internet that he invented.:slaphappy

Well said.

Do you realize that he drives a big Gas Guzzling SUV, has 3 or 4 super homes.
Has interests in big Oil projects.

Pressing-On 04-03-2007 09:33 AM

ILG,
I couldn't vote because I'm not sure about the global domination issue.

But, I don't believe in Global Warming at all!

10 Questions for Al Gore


1) The earth has warmed and cooled numerous times in the past and many of those temperature swings have been much greater than anything we've experienced so far. So, since we human beings don't really understand why those temperature swings occurred, how can we be sure that the very mild warming we've seen so far hasn't been caused by normal changes in our climate?


2) If greenhouse gasses produced by mankind are behind the roughly one degree increase in temperature over the last century, then why did the global temperature go down from roughly 1940 to 1975 even though mankind's production of greenhouse gasses was skyrocketing during that same time period?


3) We can't accurately predict whether it's going to rain or not a week from now. We can't accurately predict what the weather will look like next year (Remember that in 2005, they were predicting we'd be hammered with non-stop hurricanes in 2006 because of global warming. It didn't happen). Since that's the case, how can we possibly have any confidence in predictions of what the weather will be like in 50-100 years?


4) Mars has also been experiencing global warming. Since man can't be a factor on that planet, doesn't it suggest that perhaps a factor other than man, i.e. the sun, is responsible for the warming on both planets?

5) Back in the early seventies, the in-vogue scientific theory was that we were in the midst of global cooling that was caused by man. Now, it turns out that there was nothing much behind that except that the global temperature was getting cooler. So, where did they go wrong back in the early seventies and how do we know that we're not making the same type of mistake today in forecasting global warming?


6) Global warming alarmists will tell you that there is "scientific consensus" that mankind is causing global warming and that only a few scientists disagree. But, there are more than 17,200 scientists who say that, "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate." Since that's the case, how can anyone credibly claim that there is "scientific consensus" on the issue?


7) Even if mankind was responsible for global warming, how would the solutions that are being offered, like Kyoto or carbon credit trading schemes, fix the problem? Big developing countries like India and China are exempt from Kyoto and unlikely to sign on to any deal that hurts their economy, Europe isn't meeting its Kyoto goals, and environmentalists say Kyoto wouldn't fix the problem even if all of its targets are met.


8) In Bill Bryson's book on science, "A Short History Of Nearly Everything," (and yes, Bryson does appear to be a believer in manmade global warming), he notes that,
"For most of its history until fairly recent times, the general pattern was for earth to be hot with no permanent ice anywhere." -- P.427
That would seem to suggest that despite everything we hear about the "hottest temperatures on record," the global temperature is significantly cooler than it has been throughout much of earth's history. Since that's the case, is the small change in global temperature we've seen so far really out of the ordinary or anything to be alarmed about?



9) As Carl Zimmer has noted in Discover, at times in the earth's past, we've had considerably more carbon dioxide in the air that we do today, and yet it's debatable whether the temperature was significantly warmer,

"During the Ordovician Period, 440 million years ago, there seems to have been 16 times as much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as there is today--and yet, judging from the gravelly deposits it left behind, there was also an ice sheet near the South Pole that was four-fifths the size of present-day Antarctica. The second exception is even more troubling. The Cretaceous Period, when dinosaurs ruled the Earth and CO2 levels were about eight times what they are today, has been one of the most popular case studies for global warming forecasters. And everyone knows what the climate was like during the dinosaurs’ heyday: steamy. Or was it? The latest evidence, reported just this past summer by British researchers, suggests that temperatures in the tropics 95 million years ago were no higher than they are now; and while it was a lot warmer at the poles than it is today, it was still freezing cold."

Doesn't this suggest that there isn't anywhere near as much of a close relationship between greenhouse gasses like carbon dioxide and the temperature as many people seem to believe?


10) Skeptics of manmade global warming have often pointed out that the rise in global temperature seems to track much more closely to increased solar activity than it does to an increase in manmade greenhouse gasses. Doesn't that seem to strongly suggest that the sun, not mankind, is more likely to be responsible for global warming?

Bonus Question) If people like Al Gore believe their own hype and think it's necessary for us to cut back our energy consumption, why aren't they practicing what they preach? If a global warming fanatic like Al Gore can’t get by on less than 20 times the amount of energy that a regular family uses, how can we reasonably expect the average family to dramatically cut their energy usage?


Quite frankly, if you buy into manmade global warming, you should have good answers for these questions or, if you don't, admit that your opinion is based more on faith and guesswork than it is on science.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...arming_cr owd

crakjak 04-03-2007 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 62310)
Well said.

Do you realize that he drives a big Gas Guzzling SUV, has 3 or 4 super homes.
Has interests in big Oil projects.

Yes, he is hypocritical, must believe he is special and therefore can use more than his share of the resources of this poor depleted planet.

He is one of the fearful and unbelieving, the earth has more than enough resources for every man, woman and child that shall ever be born on it. It is this fearmongering that prevents us from discovering resources in the earth, oceans and atomphere the would take us to the next level of provision.

I believe we need to conserve and do all we reasonably can do to prevent pollultion, but do it in a orderly way. This is religion for Al and the wackos.

Ron 04-03-2007 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 62320)
Yes, he is hypocritical, must believe he is special and therefore can use more than his share of the resources of this poor depleted planet.

He is one of the fearful and unbelieving, the earth has more than enough resources for every man, woman and child that shall ever be born on it. It is this fearmongering that prevents us from discovering resources in the earth, oceans and atomphere the would take us to the next level of provision.

I believe we need to conserve and do all we reasonably can do to prevent pollultion, but do it in a orderly way. This is religion for Al and the wackos.

Amen! Preach it!
Whew, a voice of reason!:tiphat

tbpew 04-03-2007 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 62297)
Do you Believe in Global Warming? Please Vote.

I do believe we are experiencing climate change.

I do NOT believe it is from increased CO2 emissions.

I am filled with wonder how the sun plays out in all this (because that surely seems like a God thing)

I do believe that if conventional wisdom determines that CO2 is a pollutant, a carbon-based energy supply system is going to suffer unprecedented cost escalation that will have vast unintended consequences. Clean operations need economic vitality.

A "CO2 is bad" bumper-sticker science is inviting a "have you hugged your nuke" bumper sticker to replace it. With the half life of Plut 239 (breeder reactor stuff) being in excess of 100,000 years, I'll take my chances with warm winters.

I fully acknowledge that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. We can not burn billions of tons of fossil fuels and not have an emission issue. Scrubbers, gasification, slurries, and other viable fuel processing may hold great opportunities, but none of these are viable if you make CO2 the boogeyman.

It just feels like there is a nefarious agenda at work; making a naturally occuring, common gas, a pollutant. BUT I can not escape from the fact that the waste I produce does have an impact on the environment I depend on.

Please forgive me, I exhaled around 180 times while I posted this ---bad human---bad human---go to your room and feel shame.....:nah

COOPER 04-03-2007 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 62297)
Do you Believe in Global Warming? Please Vote.

:igotit Yes we need better emission's control on Flatulent cows!

:slaphappy

Pressing-On 04-03-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 62325)
:igotit Yes we need better emission's control on Flatulent cows!

:slaphappy

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

There was a man sitting in front of me in church last night that needed some emission control - Whew!!!!
:toofunny


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