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Digging4Truth 02-24-2009 08:20 AM

Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
For those who believe it is wrong for a man to wear a beard...

Wouldn't that make our Christ... the Messiah... the sinless sacrifice... a sinner?

He (and probably every single one of the apostles) wore a beard.

Why wouldn't that make him a sinner?

RandyWayne 02-24-2009 08:42 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Well well well, obviously HE (Jesus) didn't have a pastor who proclaimed it to be a sin. For those who do, it is as the sin of witchcraft to rebel against the man of god.

There ya go. Simple answer for a simple question.

Next.

Digging4Truth 02-24-2009 08:55 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 711543)
Well well well, obviously HE (Jesus) didn't have a pastor who proclaimed it to be a sin. For those who do, it is as the sin of witchcraft to rebel against the man of god.

There ya go. Simple answer for a simple question.

Next.

You'd think that the Great Shepherd (Pastor) would know at least as much as the under shepherds wouldn't you?

I guess Jesus just never thought this through huh?

RandyWayne 02-24-2009 08:57 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 711554)
You'd think that the Great Shepherd (Pastor) would know at least as much as the under shepherds wouldn't you?

I guess Jesus just never thought this through huh?

I jest, yet it really does come down to that. "Obey them" is used as a catch all to make any platform/church rule the equivalent of gospel. It is like a parent suddenly blurting out "Because I said so!" when the kid keeps asking for reasons.

Michael The Disciple 02-24-2009 09:03 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
My pastor is Yeshua. He had a beard. He is my example.

Sam 02-24-2009 09:05 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 711517)
For those who believe it is wrong for a man to wear a beard...

Wouldn't that make our Christ... the Messiah... the sinless sacrifice... a sinner?

He (and probably every single one of the apostles) wore a beard.

Why wouldn't that make him a sinner?

Who said He had a beard?
Didn't the UPC revise its Sunday School literature to show Him beardless?

Digging4Truth 02-24-2009 09:06 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 711557)
I jest, yet it really does come down to that. "Obey them" is used as a catch all to make any platform/church rule the equivalent of gospel. It is like a parent suddenly blurting out "Because I said so!" when the kid keeps asking for reasons.

It reminds me of a bible verse...

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

We are all to proclaim the word of God and not add to or take away from it.

Not our own little favored doctinettes.

Sam 02-24-2009 09:07 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 711557)
I jest, yet it really does come down to that. "Obey them" is used as a catch all to make any platform/church rule the equivalent of gospel. It is like a parent suddenly blurting out "Because I said so!" when the kid keeps asking for reasons.

It's also like the RCC declaring "holy tradition" to be equal with Scripture.

And also like the local parish priest holding the salvation of all his parishioners in his hands because he is the one who baptizes, teaches, administers communion, and hears confession. That makes him the ponte/bridge between his parishioners and God.

Digging4Truth 02-24-2009 09:08 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 711568)
Who said He had a beard?
Didn't the UPC revise its Sunday School literature to show Him beardless?

Did they?

I don't know.

I remember growing up I always wondered why the apostles that they put up on the felt board had beards.

I guess if you are going to sell it as doctrine it might be needful to do what you can to create an alter-reality that stands up to the rhetoric.

Sam 02-24-2009 09:09 AM

Re: Was The Messiah A Sinner?
 
Did Jesus have facial hair?

We don’t have any photographs and the four Gospel accounts that we include in our Bibles don’t say.

Through the years artists have often shown him with a beard and long hair. Some times this hair has been blond almost like a woman with a beard.

The image on the shroud of Turin has a beard but there is controversy as to whether this crucified person is really the one we worship as our God in flesh.

In Isaiah there is a person referred to as the servant of YHWH which many take to be our Lord Jesus Christ. One verse in Isaiah 50:6 indicates He had facial hair.

Below are several versions of this verse from Bibles to which I have access. Some use the word “beard,” some speak of “hair” on the face or cheeks, while others do not use either of these designations.

I offered my back to those who beat me,
my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
I did not hide my face
from mocking and spitting. NIV

..
I gave My back to those who strike Me,
And My cheeks to those who pluck out the beard;
I did not cover My face from humiliation and spitting. NASB


I followed orders,
stood there and took it while they beat me,
held steady while they pulled out my beard,
Didn't dodge their insults,
faced them as they spit in my face. The Message


I gave My back to the smiters and My cheeks to those who plucked off the hair; I hid not My face from shame and spitting. Amplified


I give my back to those who beat me and my cheeks to those who pull out my beard. I do not hide from shame, for they mock me and spit in my face. NLT


I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. KJV

I gave my back to those who strike,
......and my cheeks to those who pull out the beard;
I hid not my face
......from disgrace and spitting. ESV

I let them beat my back
and pull out my beard.
I didn't turn aside
when they insulted me
and spit in my face. CEV

I gave My back to those who struck Me,
.............. And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;
.............. I did not hide My face from shame and spitting. NKJV

I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair; I hid not my face from shame and spitting .ASV

......
My back I have given to those smiting, And my cheeks to those plucking out, My face I hid not from shame and spitting.
Youngs Literal Translation

..I gave my back to smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair; I hid not my face from shame and spitting. Darby

I offered my back to those who struck me,
my cheeks to those who plucked out my beard;
I did not hide my face
From insult and spitting CJB

I gave my back to scourges, and my cheeks to blows; and I turned not away my face from from the shame of spitting. LXX

I have given my body to the strikers, and my cheeks to them that plucked them: I have not turned away my face from them that rebuked me and spit upon me. Douay

I offered my back to those who struck me,
my cheeks to those who tore at my beard;
I did not cover my face
against insult and spittle.
Jerusalem Bible

I gave my back to the smiters and my cheeks to those who slap on the face; I turned not my face from shame and spitting.
Syriac Peshitta

I gave my back to the smiters, and my checks to them that plucked off the hair; I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
Jewish Publication Society


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