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Margies3 02-24-2009 02:04 PM

Women speaking in church
 
I heard this guy on the radio today speaking and he made the most ridiculous statement I believe I have ever heard!!

He was talking about Paul telling the women to be quiet in the church. He said that that verse is smack dab in the middle of a whole chapter of Paul teaching about tongues in the church (mind you, this guy obviously believes that tongues are wrong for today). So his interpretation of this is that the women in Paul's day had gotten out of hand and were speaking in tongues one right over top of another without no interpretations and were completely out of order in doing so. And that Paul was telling them that they needed to stop talking in tongues at all.

Then he said, "If you notice that even in the tongues movement today (that's the Pentecostal people of today he is talking about), at least 90% of them are women. Very few men become part of those churches or speak in tongues" Hello??? I believe the man should visit one of "those churches" before he makes a blanket statement as ridiculous as that!!!

Pressing-On 02-24-2009 02:06 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
:toofunny

I heard a Baptist preacher read this text to his church this past Sunday morning. Didn't want to go there in any way, shape or form. LOL!

Here's the KJV:

Quote:

I Timothy 2:9-10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; (10) But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
This is how he read it:

Quote:

I Timothy 2:9-10 "In like manner also women profess godliness with good works."
:toofunny

KWSS1976 02-24-2009 02:09 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
Well I don't see it like that I do beleive that he was telling the women to be quiet in the cor church and stop talking for some reason. I don't think it had to do with tongues but he did clearly tell them to keep quiet..

LadyRev 02-24-2009 02:17 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 711854)
I heard this guy on the radio today speaking and he made the most ridiculous statement I believe I have ever heard!!

He was talking about Paul telling the women to be quiet in the church. He said that that verse is smack dab in the middle of a whole chapter of Paul teaching about tongues in the church (mind you, this guy obviously believes that tongues are wrong for today). So his interpretation of this is that the women in Paul's day had gotten out of hand and were speaking in tongues one right over top of another without no interpretations and were completely out of order in doing so. And that Paul was telling them that they needed to stop talking in tongues at all.

Then he said, "If you notice that even in the tongues movement today (that's the Pentecostal people of today he is talking about), at least 90% of them are women. Very few men become part of those churches or speak in tongues" Hello??? I believe the man should visit one of "those churches" before he makes a blanket statement as ridiculous as that!!!

Stupidity runs rampant.

TJJJ 02-24-2009 02:25 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 711854)
I heard this guy on the radio today speaking and he made the most ridiculous statement I believe I have ever heard!!

He was talking about Paul telling the women to be quiet in the church. He said that that verse is smack dab in the middle of a whole chapter of Paul teaching about tongues in the church (mind you, this guy obviously believes that tongues are wrong for today). So his interpretation of this is that the women in Paul's day had gotten out of hand and were speaking in tongues one right over top of another without no interpretations and were completely out of order in doing so. And that Paul was telling them that they needed to stop talking in tongues at all.

Then he said, "If you notice that even in the tongues movement today (that's the Pentecostal people of today he is talking about), at least 90% of them are women. Very few men become part of those churches or speak in tongues" Hello??? I believe the man should visit one of "those churches" before he makes a blanket statement as ridiculous as that!!!

BAD WOMEN, speaking out of turn again! :foottap

Ask your husband if you can speak again! Definently don't talk in church!

:ursofunny

Seriously, this verse has been taken out of context so much! We probably will never know what Paul meant!

I wonder what Sister Alvear will say?

Should be interesting!

CC1 02-24-2009 02:38 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
Another interesting subject where many Pentecostals want to have it both ways. They claim they don't take cultural relevency into consideration when dealing with New Testament scriptures but yet do so when it comes to the verses admonishing women not to teach.

TJJJ 02-24-2009 02:46 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 711908)
Another interesting subject where many Pentecostals want to have it both ways. They claim they don't take cultural relevency into consideration when dealing with New Testament scriptures but yet do so when it comes to the verses admonishing women not to teach.

Man you are harder than I am!

We all know that really we are dealing with a rhetorical problem, as...

It is impossible to ever get women to be quiet in church!!!:ursofunny

Never seen one yet that could!

Lord bless you women, why, if it wasn't for you gals we wouldn't have anything to preach against!:thumbsup

CC1 02-24-2009 02:56 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
TJJJ,

If you refuse to consier the cultural circumstances of Paul talking to the church about women's hair then you must refuse to consider any cultural circumstances for this admonition. It is quite clear;

1 Corinthians 14:34 (King James Version)

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

LUKE2447 02-24-2009 03:01 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
YEP, I agree CC1 that is why our women don't speak in any place of authority in the church while we are in service. Sing, prophetic word, tongues and interpretation, testimony etc... and that is it. They are to be quiet. Either it is relevant or not. Paul basis his points on God law and natural order. Can't have it both ways.

TJJJ 02-24-2009 03:02 PM

Re: Women speaking in church
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 711935)
TJJJ,

If you refuse to consier the cultural circumstances of Paul talking to the church about women's hair then you must refuse to consider any cultural circumstances for this admonition. It is quite clear;

1 Corinthians 14:34 (King James Version)

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.


I understand where you are coming from. So would it be fair to say that if you feel like women should have long hair, according to that scripture, then they should also be quiet?

Is that YOUR position?


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