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Nu-Texan 04-22-2009 07:36 AM

Angels and their ability to sin
 
I have been taught all my life that the Angels are basically robots with no free will and were created to worship GOD with no ability to sin. However, we do have the example of Lucifer and the 1/3 of the Angels CHOOSING to rebel against GOD and thus being thrown out of Heaven. So does that mean angels have free will also?

shawndell 04-22-2009 08:03 AM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
Angels dont have forgiveness extended to them as we do so they can choose to sin but then they cant come back to the father.Angels have higher knowledge than we do and we got tricked in the garden of Eden.I think the angels would have known what they were doing when they rebelled.Now I could be wrong. So take this with a grain of salt.LOL!!

deltaguitar 04-22-2009 09:55 AM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
I don't think anyone really knows.

Nu-Texan 04-22-2009 09:23 PM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
The bottom line question - (re-phrased) - Do you believe angels have free will or not? and why?

Sam 04-22-2009 09:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu-Texan (Post 740841)
The bottom line question - (re-phrased) - Do you believe angels have free will or not? and why?

OK, I'm not sure but they must have some free will because some of them rebelled against God.

mfblume 04-26-2009 12:17 AM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
It is inconclusive to say 1/3 of the angels fell. We read in Rev 12 that 1/3 of the stars were thrown down by the dragon's tail, but we are not told WHEN that occurred, neither are we told they are heavenly angels. Just stars. Stars in Rev 1 were angels of the churches.

But we do read that angels lost their first estate. That can only mean they have free will. We do not know WHEN they fell or WHY. Jude only mentioned they did. And that implies lack of faithfulness.

Jude 1:6 KJV And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Tradition alone says 1/3 of the stars falling means heavenly angels. It is only conjecture.

Sister Alvear 04-26-2009 07:03 AM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
Who are those angels in chains?

Sister Alvear 04-26-2009 07:05 AM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
Jude 1:6 has always been a question in my mind...

Nu-Texan 04-27-2009 09:25 AM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
Is it possible that the Angels reffered to in Jude 1:6 are the same as Referred to in Genesis 6?

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually

mfblume 04-29-2009 03:36 PM

Re: Angels and their ability to sin
 
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Originally Posted by Nu-Texan (Post 742183)
Is it possible that the Angels reffered to in Jude 1:6 are the same as Referred to in Genesis 6?

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually

I see no angels mentioned in Gen 6.


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