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EA 05-25-2009 12:28 PM

>What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP History?<
 
In your opinion, what is the most divisive moment and/or issue in Oneness Pentecostal history?

Here are some options.

1916 Oneness split from the Assemblies of God because of the "Jesus Only" issue.

1992 UPCI vote to require a signed statement from all ministers, which was an affirmation that they believed all of the holiness standards in the AOF, and would preach and teach them.

2007 vote by the UPCI to allow television advertising and programming. This vote caused several hundred ministers to leave the org and form a new org (WPF).

Feel free to add other suggestions.

*AQuietPlace* 05-25-2009 12:34 PM

Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor
 
#1 wouldn't really be a divisive moment in Oneness Pentecostal history, would it? That was more like the beginning of the movement.

EA 05-25-2009 12:52 PM

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No, the movement actually began a few years earlier.

It existed within and without the broader Pentecostal movement.

It cam to a head at the 1916 AOG General Conference, when:

"At the fourth General Conference of the fledgling Assemblies of God meeting at St. Louis, the New Issue came to the forefront and the conference had to deal with this new doctrine. Factions among the attendees championed either the Oneness position, or the orthodox Trinitarian position. A third group tried to mediate and all the issue to be sent to a committee for further study.

The Trinitarian faction controlled the key leadership and committee positions. The committee that was to draft the statement of fundamental truths was solidly Trinitarian and contrary to the AG's original intention of not creating a denomination, was authorized so impose doctrinal limits upon the membership. The group opposed to Jesus Name baptism had enough support to call for a decision on the New Issue.

The committee issued a seventeen-point Statement of Fundamental Truths that was worded so that the doctrine of Jesus Name baptism and the Oneness of God was not a part of AG doctrine of teaching, thus reaffirming the orthodox position of baptism and the Godhead. The assembly of ministers at the conference voted in favor of the committee's report and in the end, 156 of the 585 ministers within the Assemblies of God were barred from further membership.

The issue of whether the oneness group was barred from membership is still disputed. According to many Oneness brethren the oneness group walked out of the Council. However, the Assemblies of God maintains that the vote over the Statement of Fundamental Truths caused the Oneness brethren to be expelled, dismissed, or barred from membership with the body."

Timmy 05-25-2009 12:54 PM

Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor
 
When AFF admins decided not to ban Timmy after his first few posts? :lol

OnTheFritz 05-25-2009 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 752856)
When AFF admins decided not to ban Timmy after his first few posts? :lol

Now how much fun would that have been...? This place wouldn't be the same without you. :lol

Hoovie 05-25-2009 01:52 PM

Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor
 
Well I am not sure that I can actually "vote" with the way the choices are...

The New Issue, it could be argued actually served to unify the Oneness Pentecostal fractions - if not immediately, then later out of necessity for close, like minded fellowship.

Also those who were rejected by the AOG at the time of the New Issue debate... many continued to preach and actively fellowship those who remained in the old organization. The same can hardly be said of the recent factions - at least in many cases the departed are placed "under question" and forbidden from the pulpits they once had a welcome in.

While men like Goss, Ewart and Whitherspoon would not attach hellfire to those who disagreed with them on the "New Issue", many will do so today on matters of television and hair length.

Hoovie 05-25-2009 02:02 PM

Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor
 
I went ahead and voted with the second choice, though the third is a close runner up.

mizpeh 05-25-2009 02:13 PM

Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor
 
Somewhere preNicean creed when folks started to baptize in the titles

Scott Hutchinson 05-25-2009 02:20 PM

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How about when The white members of The PAW left that org.over the issue of race,that sound divisive to me ?

Steve Epley 05-25-2009 04:33 PM

Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 752884)
How about when The white members of The PAW left that org.over the issue of race,that sound divisive to me ?

Bro.Hutchinson I think this overlooked division changed the landscape of Pentecost forever. I doubt if there would have been a small handful of PCI minded guys if they had stayed with the PAW. The PAW grew stronger and stronger doctrinally and the whites divided soon after over various issues some just locales. I think you are correct. There would have been NO merger thus no need of any AS. Very good.


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