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Justin 07-23-2009 11:26 AM

Were the Apostles wrong?
 
This thread stems from http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=25131&page=4

In the recent Pentecostal Herald, there's an article regarding the end of days, or end time (link: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...2&d=1248308695). In the article, the writer states that the apostles thought that Jesus was returning during their life time.

In the Gospels, Jesus breathed on the Apostles to open their understanding of things. Seeing that they were also hand chosen by Jesus to convey His message, and because those verses regarding the Lords return are God inspired, they cannot be wrong due to the very nature of God. If those verses are wrong, then God was wrong when he inspired the writers to scribe those words.

What are your thought on this?

Did the apostles have everything correct except Jesus return?

KWSS1976 07-23-2009 11:33 AM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Is Matthew 28:19 God inspired?...This will be a good thread..

KWSS1976 07-23-2009 11:42 AM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Justin there is no telling how much has changed in the bible since the apostles wrote it down that was no telling how long ago..Ever play the game in class where the first person in the class room wispers something into the ear of the person behind them and by the time it gets back to other side of the room it is completely diffrent...

KWSS1976 07-23-2009 11:57 AM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Does it give a time in the bible when the lord will return...?

Sam 07-23-2009 12:45 PM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 776645)
Does it give a time in the bible when the lord will return...?

yes, He returned in 70 AD.

next question?

KWSS1976 07-23-2009 12:49 PM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
let me resubmit the question

Did jesus return after corithians?

Sam 07-23-2009 01:00 PM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 776679)
what was the time frame of corith.?

1 Corinthians was written in the autumn of AD 55 (Acts 19:22)

2 Corinthians was written February/March of AD 56 (Acts 20:1)

Bowas 07-23-2009 02:01 PM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin (Post 776632)
This thread stems from http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=25131&page=4

In the recent Pentecostal Herald, there's an article regarding the end of days, or end time (link: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...2&d=1248308695). In the article, the writer states that the apostles thought that Jesus was returning during their life time.

In the Gospels, Jesus breathed on the Apostles to open their understanding of things. Seeing that they were also hand chosen by Jesus to convey His message, and because those verses regarding the Lords return are God inspired, they cannot be wrong due to the very nature of God. If those verses are wrong, then God was wrong when he inspired the writers to scribe those words.

What are your thought on this?

Did the apostles have everything correct except Jesus return?

THIS IS CORRECT!
If we think the Apostles were incorrect on ANY subject, WE are the ones that are incorrect!
If we think the Apostles misunderstood ANY of Jesus' teachings, WE are the ones with the misunderstanding.
If we think Jesus hid somethings to the Apostles and we today can see what was hidden to them, WE are the ones blind.
If the Apostles were wrong on ANY subject, the only way we would know that, would be in their writings (i.e. The Bible) we by default are saying the Bible is incorrect!
If we hold to a particular view, that the Apostles did not hold, and say we are right and they were wrong, once again, we are saying, "The Bible is wrong"
If the Apostles taught something we do not teach, we are wrong, If they thought something we don't think, we are wrong. PERIOD!
Let God be true, and every man a liar.
Here is a quote by an esteemed elder that if not heretical, is at the very least the highth of arrogancy.
The Apostles preached the coming of the Lord because they thought it was the last days. Two thousand years later I am preaching the coming of the Lord because it is the last days."
If any of us believe this statement, you are claiming the Bible is wrong (the Apostles own Holy Ghost inspired words), Well, YOU ARE WRONG!! (ITBO) (In the Bibles opinion)

TK Burk 07-23-2009 02:50 PM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin (Post 776632)
This thread stems from http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=25131&page=4

In the recent Pentecostal Herald, there's an article regarding the end of days, or end time (link: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...2&d=1248308695). In the article, the writer states that the apostles thought that Jesus was returning during their life time.

In the Gospels, Jesus breathed on the Apostles to open their understanding of things. Seeing that they were also hand chosen by Jesus to convey His message, and because those verses regarding the Lords return are God inspired, they cannot be wrong due to the very nature of God. If those verses are wrong, then God was wrong when he inspired the writers to scribe those words.

What are your thought on this?

Did the apostles have everything correct except Jesus return?

The problem some have with saying the apostles were correct is it would thus make their futurist views incorrect. Some cannot handle the fact that they may be wrong, so they sacrifice whatever is necessary to protect their doctrine and their thought about themselves. God help the man or woman who is so tied to their beliefs that they would prefer error over Truth....

How can a person claim to be "apostolic," and to adhere to the "apostles' doctrines,” and then claim any part of what the apostles taught was written from their error or misunderstanding? Such a claim would make any and all of their other doctrines suspect.

Jesus – and His apostles – said He was coming again “soon”…and He did!

helen_febus 07-23-2009 02:52 PM

Re: Were the Apostles wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 776635)
Is Matthew 28:19 God inspired?...This will be a good thread..

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"The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course
of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its
place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome."
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)

The Trinity baptism and text of Mathew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church
that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of
Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.


God Bless All


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