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rgcraig 11-22-2009 04:11 PM

One Nation Under God
 
http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork...rtpiece_id=353

Has anyone seen this?

You can move the cursor over the picture to see what each person symbolizes.

Pressing-On 11-22-2009 04:15 PM

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Pretty good point being made. The Jesus image reminds me of Catholicism, but other than that - it's a nice piece of art.

rgcraig 11-22-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 837690)
Pretty good point being made. The Jesus image reminds me of Catholicism, but other than that - it's a nice piece of art.

It's interesting to see what each person symbolizes to him. See if you can find satan in there.

nahkoe 11-22-2009 04:35 PM

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Wow...that's incredible!

Pressing-On 11-22-2009 04:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 837691)
It's interesting to see what each person symbolizes to him. See if you can find satan in there.

Found him! I won't say where he is so that others get a chance.

pelathais 11-22-2009 05:43 PM

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Kind of sappy... sorry. And I object to the notion that the United States Constitution is "inspired of God." It's good, but not "inspired by God." In fact, it sort of goes out of the way to make no such claims for itself.

Also, why is the vitriolic critic and enemy of traditional Christian faith, Thomas Paine, called a "good man" who was "used by God" while the alleged college professor, clutching "the Origin of Species" is said to be trying to elevate himself to be equal with God? The Origin of Species, if anything, devalues any notion of "divinity" in human beings.

And if truth were a concern of the artist, we should see Thomas Jefferson pushing Jesus down the stairs because it was Jefferson's firm and outspoken belief that Jesus was not divine.

Forty years on, JFK is actually more famous for his dalliance with Marilyn Monroe in the White House, right under Jackie's nose than he is for his inaugural speech.

Benjamin Franklin should have the "Christian minister" between him and Jesus. In his thousands of letters that we have have preserved, Franklin never once even mentions Jesus Christ in passing. The two apparently had never met.

Nathan Hale was a great patriot, however he was justifiably executed by the British because he had violated the Laws of War and, as a soldier - a fighting combatant, had deliberately disguised himself and attempted to hide among the civilian population while carrying out an act of war against the British. In other words, he sort of did the same thing the Taliban do, only with a more noble goal in mind.

George Washington: the "Father of Our Country" was a deist and a philosophically committed Mason. He is famously said to have knelt in prayer at Valley Forge. The only problem is that the individuals that are said to have "witnessed" this either have denied it or are completely silent about it. No serious American historian has been able to attribute any religious faith to Washington other than his transcendental deism and his several secular announcements proclaiming a day or a time of "Thanksgiving to our Maker" - the impersonal deist god.

Abraham Lincoln - the "Great Emancipator." The only slaves he actually freed were those held behind Southern lines. These were slaves that he had no real power to free. He specifically forbade the release from slavery of all slaves in Union held territories. The Emancipation Proclamation was only a bit a window dressing designed for European consumption. It had no real effect in the United States.

Sequoya and the "Indian Nation?" As most "Indians" and historians will tell you, there were over 500 hundred "Indian Nations." Sequoya was a Cherokee. After siding with the "Whites" (really just the S.C. militia) in a war against other Indian tribes, the Cherokees briefly enjoyed a sort of favored status. In 1831, Sequoya and the rest of the Cherokee Nation were repaid for their loyalty by being forced from their homes and marched at the point of a bayonet to resettle in Oklahoma. Sequoya died in poverty. Sixty years later almost all of "Indian Territory" was removed from Indian control and given away for just the price of a claim fee to "whites."

John Hancock and John Adams are perhaps almost unique among the "Founding Fathers" in that they believed that God just might answer prayer. The vast majority of the rest were children of the enlightenment and concurred with Thomas Paine's words:

"It is the fable of Jesus Christ, as told in the New Testament, and the wild and visionary doctrine raised thereon, against which I contend. The story, taking it as it is told, is blasphemously obscene..."

The words of a "good man" as he was being "used by God?"

But I know, I know. It's just make believe. Why can't we all just agree to pretend?

rgcraig 11-23-2009 06:47 AM

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Well, Pel you really got into that - lol!

John Atkinson 11-23-2009 09:37 AM

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more like one nation under gods
http://www.aoc.gov/cc/art/rotunda/ap...s/Overview.cfm

John Atkinson 11-23-2009 09:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 837726)
Kind of sappy... sorry. And I object to the notion that the United States Constitution is "inspired of God." It's good, but not "inspired by God." In fact, it sort of goes out of the way to make no such claims for itself.

Also, why is the vitriolic critic and enemy of traditional Christian faith, Thomas Paine, called a "good man" who was "used by God" while the alleged college professor, clutching "the Origin of Species" is said to be trying to elevate himself to be equal with God? The Origin of Species, if anything, devalues any notion of "divinity" in human beings.

And if truth were a concern of the artist, we should see Thomas Jefferson pushing Jesus down the stairs because it was Jefferson's firm and outspoken belief that Jesus was not divine.

Forty years on, JFK is actually more famous for his dalliance with Marilyn Monroe in the White House, right under Jackie's nose than he is for his inaugural speech.

Benjamin Franklin should have the "Christian minister" between him and Jesus. In his thousands of letters that we have have preserved, Franklin never once even mentions Jesus Christ in passing. The two apparently had never met.

Nathan Hale was a great patriot, however he was justifiably executed by the British because he had violated the Laws of War and, as a soldier - a fighting combatant, had deliberately disguised himself and attempted to hide among the civilian population while carrying out an act of war against the British. In other words, he sort of did the same thing the Taliban do, only with a more noble goal in mind.

George Washington: the "Father of Our Country" was a deist and a philosophically committed Mason. He is famously said to have knelt in prayer at Valley Forge. The only problem is that the individuals that are said to have "witnessed" this either have denied it or are completely silent about it. No serious American historian has been able to attribute any religious faith to Washington other than his transcendental deism and his several secular announcements proclaiming a day or a time of "Thanksgiving to our Maker" - the impersonal deist god.

Abraham Lincoln - the "Great Emancipator." The only slaves he actually freed were those held behind Southern lines. These were slaves that he had no real power to free. He specifically forbade the release from slavery of all slaves in Union held territories. The Emancipation Proclamation was only a bit a window dressing designed for European consumption. It had no real effect in the United States.

Sequoya and the "Indian Nation?" As most "Indians" and historians will tell you, there were over 500 hundred "Indian Nations." Sequoya was a Cherokee. After siding with the "Whites" (really just the S.C. militia) in a war against other Indian tribes, the Cherokees briefly enjoyed a sort of favored status. In 1831, Sequoya and the rest of the Cherokee Nation were repaid for their loyalty by being forced from their homes and marched at the point of a bayonet to resettle in Oklahoma. Sequoya died in poverty. Sixty years later almost all of "Indian Territory" was removed from Indian control and given away for just the price of a claim fee to "whites."

John Hancock and John Adams are perhaps almost unique among the "Founding Fathers" in that they believed that God just might answer prayer. The vast majority of the rest were children of the enlightenment and concurred with Thomas Paine's words:

"It is the fable of Jesus Christ, as told in the New Testament, and the wild and visionary doctrine raised thereon, against which I contend. The story, taking it as it is told, is blasphemously obscene..."

The words of a "good man" as he was being "used by God?"

But I know, I know. It's just make believe. Why can't we all just agree to pretend?

Thanks Pel, saved me a lot of typing. christian nation my foot...

MawMaw 11-23-2009 09:58 AM

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Most of the forefathers did pray to The God Almighty and seek His guidance, and for that I am thankful.


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