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Twisp 04-27-2010 09:47 AM

The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
Anyone read this book? Thinking of buying, not many reviews on Amazon. Anyone have any comments on it or the author?

http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Sayings-J...pr_product_top

Sam 04-27-2010 10:17 AM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
Don't know anything about it.

mizpeh 04-27-2010 12:32 PM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 903780)
Anyone read this book? Thinking of buying, not many reviews on Amazon. Anyone have any comments on it or the author?

http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Sayings-J...pr_product_top

Try checking it out on Google books. You can look at the Table of Contents and read some of it to see if you might be interested in buying it. The book I linked you to is not the one by FF Bruce.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2eT...0bruce&f=false

Timmy would like this book. ;)

mizpeh 04-27-2010 12:39 PM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
1) How do we know who wrote the bible?
2) Can we believe in Bible miracles?
3) Why does God seem so angry in the OT and loving in the New?
4) Why don't Bible geneologies always match up?
5) Aren't many OT numbers wrong?
6) Do the dates of OT kings fit secular history?
7) Does archaeology support Biblical history?
8) When the prophets say " the word of the Lord came to me", what do they mean?
9) Are OT prophecies really accurate?
10) Why doesn't the NT always quote the OT accurately?
11) Are the NT accounts of demons true?
12) Why are there four different gospels?

pelathais 04-27-2010 12:42 PM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
F.F. Bruce was a very prolific writer. If you've read any of the most popular Bible commentaries or introductory "New Testament" textbooks you've probably already read articles and chapters written by Bruce.

His most famous work is "New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?" Norman Geisler's best selling "A Popular Survey of the New Testament" relies heavily on Bruce's older work.

Bruce was a sort of "moderate" Evangelical in that while supporting Calvinism, he was by no means a "Hyper-Calvinist." And he was a genuine scholar as well.

Along with Bruce Metzger, F. F. Bruce is probably one of the best New Testament scholars of the modern era. The rather "liberal" Bart Ehrman has tried to follow in their footsteps but he wanders a bit into Gnosticism with what seems like too much enthusiasm.

Metzger and Bruce were steady and usually brilliant scholars.

***** All the standard caveats apply... just IMHO and etc.

Twisp 04-27-2010 12:54 PM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 903934)
1) How do we know who wrote the bible?
2) Can we believe in Bible miracles?
3) Why does God seem so angry in the OT and loving in the New?
4) Why don't Bible geneologies always match up?
5) Aren't many OT numbers wrong?
6) Do the dates of OT kings fit secular history?
7) Does archaeology support Biblical history?
8) When the prophets say " the word of the Lord came to me", what do they mean?
9) Are OT prophecies really accurate?
10) Why doesn't the NT always quote the OT accurately?
11) Are the NT accounts of demons true?
12) Why are there four different gospels?

I went to that link, and it looked like the entire book was on there. I still want a hard copy, but that was pretty cool nonetheless.

pelathais 04-27-2010 01:20 PM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 903945)
I went to that link, and it looked like the entire book was on there. I still want a hard copy, but that was pretty cool nonetheless.

Mizzie's link seems to be a work that has incorporated F.F. Bruce's work focusing on the New Testament into a larger book dealing with the Bible as a whole. That is a very interesting looking book. I saw it on Amazon a while back listed under just one author (Kaiser) but the Google "preview" really gets you under the hood. I should have look more closely the first time. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif

I'm not certain of course, but so far it seems like the book by Bruce that you're looking at is contained within this larger work - probably in toto. This is similar to what Geisler had done in incorporating Bruce's older work into a newer reference work and illustrates what I meant when I said that you may have already been reading Bruce in the past and just weren't aware of it.


*** Oh! And Mizzie! Check out chapter four. Pretty cool, huh?

Twisp 04-27-2010 01:28 PM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 903955)
Mizzie's link seems to be a work that has incorporated F.F. Bruce's work focusing on the New Testament into a larger book dealing with the Bible as a whole. That is a very interesting looking book. I saw it on Amazon a while back listed under just one author (Kaiser) but the Google "preview" really gets you under the hood. I should have look more closely the first time. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif

I'm not certain of course, but so far it seems like the book by Bruce that you're looking at is contained within this larger work - probably in toto. This is similar to what Geisler had done in incorporating Bruce's older work into a newer reference work and illustrates what I meant when I said that you may have already been reading Bruce in the past and just weren't aware of it.


*** Oh! And Mizzie! Check out chapter four. Pretty cool, huh?

I see now. Thanks.

missourimary 04-27-2010 04:33 PM

Re: The Hard Sayings of Jesus
 
I had the book (I think I paid a dime for it) flipped through it once I was home, and decided it wasn't something I would read. I sold it a year ago. My main issue with it was that many of the "hard" sayings were things I heard preached well several times before, so I got bored with the book.


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