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DAII 05-12-2010 11:44 AM
Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bill
 
Quote:
The only Hispanic to vote for SB 1070 is Arizona State Representative Rev. Steve B. Montenegro, a minister in the Apostolic Assembly church—a Oneness Pentecostal denomination with a large Mexican and Mexican-American population. Montenegro, an El Salvadorian immigrant, fled to America with his parents and was granted religious asylum status enabling him to become a citizen. His parents were assisted in that process by obtaining papers from Apostolic Assembly.

Ironically, Montenegro’s position as a right-wing Republican and ardent Tea Party supporter places him in the hypocritical position of shutting the doors to many Apostolic Assembly members who have supported him in the ministry, yet are in the country without “proper documentation.” His pro-SB 1070 vote has aroused considerable ire in Hispanic circles. It remains to be seen how Hispanic leaders like Rodriguez will deal with him, but I suspect it will not be pleasant.
http://www.apostolicnews.org/2010/05...s-for-sb-1070/

MissBrattified 05-12-2010 11:52 AM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
Is this the bill that allows law enforcement to check the legal status of people they have stopped, cited or arrested for other reasons?

"B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c)."

Okay...answered my own question.

I'm not sure how this makes the pastor a hypocrite. It appears, from the story, that even though the pastor and his parents came here to escape El Salvador, presumably without entering the proper way, they did pursue citizenship once in the country. They didn't hide from the government, IOW.

Am I missing something? I feel the article is very unfair. A pastor has an obligation to be an example to the congregation, and that includes being a law-abiding citizen.

RandyWayne 05-12-2010 11:55 AM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 909707)
Is this the bill that allows law enforcement to check the legal status of people they have stopped, cited or arrested for other reasons?
Yes. It enforces laws which are already on the books. Sort of like all the new civil rights laws which are heaped on each other again and again.

DAII 05-12-2010 11:55 AM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
His parents granted religious asylum stands out to me....

I am well aware of the Civil War that ripped the nation of El Salvador.... however ... the situation there was not necessarily religious in nature ... as to require asylum on those grounds especially since most are Catholics ...

If the Apostolic Assembly helped them get their papers makes me wonder ... if they came illegally and then the church helped them get their papers ... claming need of asylum.

My Dad helped many get their papers .... often as religious workers ... while they were here already.

DAII 05-12-2010 11:56 AM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 909707)
Is this the bill that allows law enforcement to check the legal status of people they have stopped, cited or arrested for other reasons?

"B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c)."

Okay...answered my own question.

I'm not sure how this makes the pastor a hypocrite.
Yes.

DAII 05-12-2010 11:57 AM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 909707)
Is this the bill that allows law enforcement to check the legal status of people they have stopped, cited or arrested for other reasons?

"B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c)."

Okay...answered my own question.

I'm not sure how this makes the pastor a hypocrite. It appears, from the story, that even though the pastor and his parents came here to escape El Salvador, presumably without entering the proper way, they did pursue citizenship once in the country. They didn't hide from the government, IOW.

Am I missing something? I feel the article is very unfair. A pastor has an obligation to be an example to the congregation, and that includes being a law-abiding citizen.
Obviously an editorial piece.

DAII 05-12-2010 12:07 PM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
I have to wonder if they, his parents, benifitted from the NACARA amnesty in the 1990s ....

Quote:
The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA), signed into law on November 19, 1997, provides special rules regarding applications by certain Guatemalan, Salvadoran, and particular former Soviet bloc nationals for suspension of deportation and cancellation of removal.
In addition, NACARA allows eligible aliens who have received final orders of deportation or removal, to file one motion to reopen removal or deportation proceedings to apply for this relief, without regard to the time and number limitations normally imposed upon motions to reopen.

NACARA requires that a time period be designated for filing such motions to reopen beginning no later than 60 days after the enactment of NACARA and extending for a period not to exceed 240 days. The Attorney General has designated the period from January 16, 1998, until September 11, 1998, for eligible aliens to file a motion to reopen under NACARA.

Eligibility Requirements
The following individuals may be eligible to file a motion to reopen to apply for suspension of deportation or cancellation of removal under these special rules, if they have not been convicted of an aggravated felony:

Nationals of El Salvador who:
* first entered the United States on or before September 19, 1990; and

* registered for American Baptist Church (ABC) benefits or Temporary
Protected Status (TPS) on or before October 31, 1991; and

* were not apprehended after December 19, 1990, at time of entry.
He seems young enough ....

http://www.montenegroaz.com/images/aboutmephoto.jpg

MissBrattified 05-12-2010 12:09 PM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
Basically, he has voted to allow law enforcement to do their jobs. I don't think that necessarily means that he would personally report illegal aliens or worse, kick them out of the congregation.

n david 05-12-2010 12:14 PM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
Hmmm ... do I support or believe some article written by a person who spouts misinformation, uses MIA and Public Enemy as sources and doesn't know what the bill is;

Or do I support and believe an immigrant who did things right, has gone through naturalization and is a legislator who heard the arguments for and against the bill, received more information about the bill than anyone of us knows (certainly more than MIA, Public Enemy or the author of this garbage).

No question I support the Legislator. Anyone who doesn't, either doesn't care about laws, thinks they're above laws and/or are for open borders and the reclaimation of the southwest by Mexico.

Surely the Apostolic News could do better than spew lies....

Dedicated Mind 05-12-2010 12:17 PM
Re: Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bil
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 909707)
I am not sure how this makes the pastor a hypocrite. It appears, from the story, that even though the pastor and his parents came here to escape El Salvador, presumably without entering the proper way, they did pursue citizenship once in the country. They didn't hide from the government, IOW.

Am I missing something? I feel the article is very unfair. A pastor has an obligation to be an example to the congregation, and that includes being a law-abiding citizen.
I think the point about the pastor's hypocrisy is that many of his congregants are illegal aliens.


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