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DAII 08-04-2010 07:21 AM

Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
The good folks at SAL have hit another homerun with this newest blog article!

http://stuffapostolicslike.blogspot....ing-grace.html

In the last 3 years I've posted on AFF ... those who would qualify grace have been relentless in their pursuit to qualify it ...

It's as if Grace is a dirty word in their vernacular.

I saw this quote and thought it apropos ...

‎"SIN is never the last word for the children of God. GRACE is always the last word." Tim Chester

Sister Alvear 08-04-2010 08:42 AM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
NO SON... Grace is what we receive even though we are not worthy. Only through His grace and His grace alone can we look upon He who is pure and holy in all things.

I understand some people are scared of the word grace but it is the best thing that ever could happen to us...We hit the jackpot! How could you or I ever buy or do anything worthy of salvation?

I am sure we condemn ourselves more than our Father does many times for he remembers we are flesh...sometimes we try to be gods....


We must always remember we must balance the love of God with God's justice and holiness. He loves the sinner but hates sin... human efforts alone to earn salvation are an impossibly...yet faith without works is dead...what may seem to be a paradox to some becomes crystal clear as we learn more about Christ.


When we read about grace it is often difficult it is for humans to accept...



Danny, we all struggle with their real or imagined inadequacies yet the Bible tells us.. Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:14-16)


Grace does not give us a pass to sin BUT if we sin we have an advocate...In the Old Testament it was an eye for an eye…Today thank God for grace and mercy…and the more mercy we have with and on others the more God will show to us.

drummerboy_dave 08-04-2010 09:37 AM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 947050)
NO SON... Grace is what we receive even though we are not worthy. Only through His grace and His grace alone can we look upon He who is pure and holy in all things.

I understand some people are scared of the word grace but it is the best thing that ever could happen to us...We hit the jackpot! How could you or I ever buy or do anything worthy of salvation?

I am sure we condemn ourselves more than our Father does many times for he remembers we are flesh...sometimes we try to be gods....


We must always remember we must balance the love of God with God's justice and holiness. He loves the sinner but hates sin... human efforts alone to earn salvation are an impossibly...yet faith without works is dead...what may seem to be a paradox to some becomes crystal clear as we learn more about Christ.


When we read about grace it is often difficult it is for humans to accept...



Danny, we all struggle with their real or imagined inadequacies yet the Bible tells us.. Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:14-16)


Grace does not give us a pass to sin BUT if we sin we have an advocate...In the Old Testament it was an eye for an eye…Today thank God for grace and mercy…and the more mercy we have with and on others the more God will show to us.

Beautiful.

We are given the grace of the Almighty God and still spend endless amounts of energy towards excluding others from God's grace, because "they obviously don't deserve it". Both sides are guilty. If folks spent more time lifting each other up, instead of poking each other down....

Barb 08-04-2010 09:49 AM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 947050)
NO SON... Grace is what we receive even though we are not worthy. Only through His grace and His grace alone can we look upon He who is pure and holy in all things.

I understand some people are scared of the word grace but it is the best thing that ever could happen to us...We hit the jackpot! How could you or I ever buy or do anything worthy of salvation?

I am sure we condemn ourselves more than our Father does many times for he remembers we are flesh...sometimes we try to be gods....


We must always remember we must balance the love of God with God's justice and holiness. He loves the sinner but hates sin... human efforts alone to earn salvation are an impossibly...yet faith without works is dead...what may seem to be a paradox to some becomes crystal clear as we learn more about Christ.


When we read about grace it is often difficult it is for humans to accept...



Danny, we all struggle with their real or imagined inadequacies yet the Bible tells us.. Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:14-16)


Grace does not give us a pass to sin BUT if we sin we have an advocate...In the Old Testament it was an eye for an eye…Today thank God for grace and mercy…and the more mercy we have with and on others the more God will show to us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave (Post 947081)
Beautiful.

We are given the grace of the Almighty God and still spend endless amounts of energy towards excluding others from God's grace, because "they obviously don't deserve it". Both sides are guilty. If folks spent more time lifting each other up, instead of poking each other down....

And there ya have it, folks...!!

Maximilian 08-04-2010 10:51 AM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Tim Chester. Good stuff right there. He's got some great material out.

Tim Keller too.

Oh... and that Lee guy sounds familiar :)

rgcraig 08-04-2010 11:08 AM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Great Blog!

Sweet Pea 08-04-2010 11:12 AM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 947050)
NO SON... Grace is what we receive even though we are not worthy. Only through His grace and His grace alone can we look upon He who is pure and holy in all things.

I understand some people are scared of the word grace but it is the best thing that ever could happen to us...We hit the jackpot! How could you or I ever buy or do anything worthy of salvation?

I am sure we condemn ourselves more than our Father does many times for he remembers we are flesh...sometimes we try to be gods....


We must always remember we must balance the love of God with God's justice and holiness. He loves the sinner but hates sin... human efforts alone to earn salvation are an impossibly...yet faith without works is dead...what may seem to be a paradox to some becomes crystal clear as we learn more about Christ.


When we read about grace it is often difficult it is for humans to accept...



Danny, we all struggle with their real or imagined inadequacies yet the Bible tells us.. Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:14-16)


Grace does not give us a pass to sin BUT if we sin we have an advocate...In the Old Testament it was an eye for an eye…Today thank God for grace and mercy…and the more mercy we have with and on others the more God will show to us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave (Post 947081)
Beautiful.

We are given the grace of the Almighty God and still spend endless amounts of energy towards excluding others from God's grace, because "they obviously don't deserve it". Both sides are guilty. If folks spent more time lifting each other up, instead of poking each other down....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barb (Post 947088)
And there ya have it, folks...!!

Ditto !!!!!!

drummerboy_dave 08-04-2010 11:13 AM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barb (Post 947088)
And there ya have it, folks...!!

I'm not sure what we really have here, Barb.

In reading the blog, it's an OK article I guess, except that it contradicts itself and falls short. It would rather focus on chapter 5 when it clearly references how that chapter 6 shows examples of how a christian should conduct themselves once God's grace is recieved.

One comment by "Lee" says this:

Quote:

Lee said...
The Apostle Paul's message on grace was so powerful that he constantly had to qualify his statement with phrases like "that doesn't mean you should keep on sinning," etc... Think about why he constantly qualified himself. Do we preach grace that hard?

Grace is not a free ticket. Grace is a work in our hearts. Grace is an inclusion of us into His Story (what we call the Gospel). One who freely receives, freely gives. Grace wasn't a wage I earned, because that would be death, no matter how much I fast/pray/talk in tongues and run the aisles. My wage is death. Jesus didn't owe us a wage. He was in a better position. He gave us something we could never get on our own. And the best part is that, throughout the Story of God, he is faithful and consistent to those he elects and calls, and to those who respond to His voice.

Grace: the most talk-about subject, least-understood, under-delivered by heralds and consequently under-appreciated. Until we understand the depravity of our sin and condition, the hopelessness of our fate, we won't truly understand the breadth and height of our salvation.

Amazing Grace.


Maximilian 08-04-2010 12:23 PM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave (Post 947123)
I'm not sure what we really have here, Barb.

In reading the blog, it's an OK article I guess, except that it contradicts itself and falls short. It would rather focus on chapter 5 when it clearly references how that chapter 6 shows examples of how a christian should conduct themselves once God's grace is recieved.

One comment by "Lee" says this:

How so?

And maybe the "falling short" is all part of the pun intended for a blog talking about grace? :toofunny

drummerboy_dave 08-04-2010 12:44 PM

Re: Saved by GRACE ... but -Qualifying Grace (SAL)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximilian (Post 947159)
How so?

And maybe the "falling short" is all part of the pun intended for a blog talking about grace? :toofunny

Well, perhaps. But, I guess as I read it, it seems as if the article is written from a bias wishing to demonstrate that the bible teaches us that grace comes without conditions and that a believer has no responsibility to live a godly life without sin after he is given said grace. As Paul would say, "God forbid".


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