Luke chapter 21
 

To those who believe that Luke 21 is a future event:

Are the Jews going to go back into captivity?

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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It was a future event at the time it was written:razz
some prophetic things are prefilled before our time but haven't been quite fulfilled yet.

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Of course it was a future event at the time it was written. :ursofunny

Pre-filled?? What does that mean?

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like jerusalem was trodden down, but the times of the gentiles haven't been fulfilled yet.

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Wow. So there's a gap there, too? Who determines the dividing line?

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what dividing line? what gap? jerusalem is still being trodden down by gentiles

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I have never met anyone that interprets it like you do. Hm.

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You can make that two people, now.

First came the start of the 'time of the Gentiles', most noted by Peter and the apostles with the conversion of Cornelius and his household. Then after the destruction of the Second Temple, the nation of Israel was dispersed throughout the world, just as Jesus said, yet the time of the Gentiles continued on, even to today with the Temple Mount is still control by non-Jews (Gentiles).

The year 1948 fulfilled another prophecy concerning Israel, when the nation was established in a single day, and Jews from around the world started their return to the promised land, a process that continues even to day. The next step is for the nations of the world to array themselves against Jerusalem - and that is taking place even as we contribute to this forum. The entire world is turning against Israel, and Jews are once again being accused (scapegoated) for every ill and problem known to mankind.

Prophecy is in the process of being fulfilled on a daily bases.

As an aside: We must remember that even the New Covenant scriptures were written by Jews and mostly for Jews, or Gentiles familiar with the Jewish people and their religion. Therefore, when reading New Covenant texts it is necessary to remember that in the Hebrew language worldview (methods and modes of thinking and interacting with the physical world), that there are only two 'tenses' in their language, perfect and imperfect. That is, "things will happen or they have already happened." This makes rendering some prophesies difficult to interpret. Some, however, passages such as Isaiah 9:6 in the chapter's context, are rather easy to follow. A child is born and child is given, translated in the presence tense, while the rest of the verse is future tense ("... the government shall ...", yet, the entire verse is understood to be future tense.

Another problem in interpreting scriptural prophecy is that within the Hebrew language and historical religious perspective, of which Christianity is a continuation, men have the ability to either speed up or slow down the time line of the events predicted, there are several example of this throughout the Bible.

Therefore, for the proper understanding scripture, we must alter our worldview to that of the original writers. Our Western though process are time dependent and linear (abstract in nature), while the Bible is written in a non-linear, time independent, conceptual frame of reference. Then, to further complicate matters, there are the Hebrew idioms that do not translate well into either Greek or English, and all of this creates much consternation among translators and makes the proper interpretation of scripture difficult.

Added comment: When the Hebrew thinking process (world view) is translated into Greek and then into English, the problems are compounded even further.

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Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in


Rev 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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Most Dispensationalists would say that the first part of verse 24 is "history." The "fall by the sword" and the "captivity" occurred in 70 AD and then finally with the remnant in 136 AD following the kbar Kochba Revolt.

And then we have that troubling "gap" period between the 69th and the 70th Week of Daniel. This "gap" covers the time from the destruction of Jerusalem until "the Gentiles" are no longing "treading Jerusalem beneath their feet."

A lot of folks excitedly looked at 1967 as being this point in time, but by now 1967 seems like a long time ago. Too long a time for most of the Dispy eschatologies. So, were back to a "gap?" Or is there anything more creative?

I don't want to sound too cynical here, but so many of the systems that I was taught to be "the Truth!" have failed me miserably over time. Only Jesus Himself seems to stand the test of time.

*** My take on Dispensationalism comes from the teachings of Hal Lindsey, Dwight Pentecost, John F. Walvoord, Lewis Sperry Chafer, H.A. Ironsides, Clarence Larkin, Charles C. Ryrie.

And within the OP world Marvin Treece and the outlines and various sources behind the Search for Truth and Exploring God's Word Bible Study series - which ultimately stem from the "Dallas Theological Seminary crowd" listed above.