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coadie

08-29-2010 06:42 PM

Freedom of religion. Constitution.

Ammendment
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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Religion makes only one direct and obvious appearance in the original Constitution that seems to point to a desire for some degree of religious freedom. That appearance is in Article 6, at the end of the third clause:

[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html

Virginia:

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That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence, and therefore all men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience, and that no particular sect or society ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others.

The word 'religion' is not defined in the Constitution.
This recent kerfluffle is an attack by the left on what the "Conservatives right"
Works salvation by the lefties. If they can be more politically correct, they claim the highest virtue.

If we have 30 Mosques in the NYC Metro area, we have far exceeded any claims if prohibiting the Muslim worship.

What is the liberal and anti religious left doing with this sudden fascination in religion? They have the ACLU fighting religion for decades.
The liberals vote for abortion and claim abstinence education must be removed from schools because it is religious.

Simple summary. Congress is not making laws in NYC and they are not creating a religion.

Jermyn Davidson

08-29-2010 06:48 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

Hey Bro,

Most of the lefties I know are not godless.

Some are actually Christian, but most of the ones that I know who claim to believe in a "higher power", will not subscribe to one particular religion.

They don't want it shoved down their throats, but they wouldn't want to see an America without religious freedom.

jfrog

08-29-2010 06:51 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 956461)

Ammendment
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http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html

Virginia:

The word 'religion' is not defined in the Constitution.
This recent kerfluffle is an attack by the left on what the "Conservatives right"
Works salvation by the lefties. If they can be more politically correct, they claim the highest virtue.

If we have 30 Mosques in the NYC Metro area, we have far exceeded any claims if prohibiting the Muslim worship.

What is the liberal and anti religious left doing with this sudden fascination in religion? They have the ACLU fighting religion for decades.
The liberals vote for abortion and claim abstinence education must be removed from schools because it is religious.

Simple summary. Congress is not making laws in NYC and they are not creating a religion.

The 1st ammendment prohibits much more than laws creating a religion.

coadie

08-29-2010 07:00 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 956467)

Hey Bro,

Most of the lefties I know are not godless.Some are actually Christian, but most of the ones that I know who claim to believe in a "higher power", will not subscribe to one particular religion.

They don't want it shoved down their throats, but they wouldn't want to see an America without religious freedom.

Thanks for giving us an example of creating a false argument. Can you give us some examples of shoving it down the throat? Names and places.

This thread is about the Constitution. It refers to an ammendment. The constitution places a limit on the Congress.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

You are trying to turn it around and say it tells us what to do. It doesn't.

jfrog

08-29-2010 07:04 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 956475)

Thanks for giving us an example of creating a false argument. Can you give us some examples of shoving it down the throat? Names and places.

This thread is about the Constitution. It refers to an ammendment. The constitution places a limit on the Congress.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

You are trying to turn it around and say it tells us what to do. It doesn't.

You are the one that started talking about lefties in the opening post. It is only reasonable to expect others to respond to the comments you post and not just the opening thread title.

jfrog

08-29-2010 07:08 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 956475)

And actually it does tell us what to do. It tells us to make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. So what law can be used to stop the mosque from being built that isn't going to be prohibiting the free exercise of religion?

coadie

08-29-2010 07:09 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 956469)

The 1st ammendment prohibits much more than laws creating a religion.

Do you wudu?

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Gubment can't make a law requiring wudu. Please do tell where it says I am required to provide a place,time and facility for people to do wudu.
Don't get us started on ghusl.

Praxeas

08-29-2010 07:13 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 956480)

Do you wudu?

Gubment can't make a law requiring wudu. Please do tell where it says I am required to provide a place,time and facility for people to do wudu.
Don't get us started on ghusl.

Coadie, who is trying to make you provide a place,time and facility for some other religion?

coadie

08-29-2010 07:26 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 956483)

Coadie, who is trying to make you provide a place,time and facility for some other religion?

Good question.

Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix has installed a cleanup station to help Muslim taxi and limo drivers meet their religious needs.
Two faucets located two feet above the ground enable the drivers to conduct ritual cleansing, including washing of the feet, before they pray....

The facility was funded through airport user fees, she said, not taxpayer dollars.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/05/ph...m-cabbies.html

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There has been no lack of controversy behind tax-payer’s money used to accommodate Muslims foot baths. On university campuses, in public schools, and at airports, special Muslim accommodation demands are an issue. These demands include prayer rooms and prayer “trailers” for airport shuttle bus and cab drivers, special prayer accommodations for Muslim children in public schools; the list goes on and on.

Place plumbing for washing, prayer rooms and time off the work schedule.

Make the government pay for this. Does the gubment have the right to demand fees and taxes to pay for this?
Against my wishes?

jfrog

08-29-2010 07:27 PM

Re: Freedom of religion. Constitution.

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 956480)

Do you wudu?

Gubment can't make a law requiring wudu. Please do tell where it says I am required to provide a place,time and facility for people to do wudu.
Don't get us started on ghusl.

You are not required to provide a place for any religion to meet or worship. However, neither can the right of a religion to build a place of worship be infringed without infringing on the first ammendment. So, the right of a religion to establish worship centers is intrinsic to the first ammendment.

Now that being said there are some reasons that any worship facility can be barred from being established in certain locations. However, in such a polarizing situation the proposed reason to bar the facility from being built had better be extremely legit and not just a cover for not wanting that mosque built because I guarantee that any non-legit reason will be taken to court and overturned.

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