We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven
 

Someone correct me if I am wrong. I just got done reading Revelation chap 2-3 where Jesus is talking to the churches. Some of these churches had charity, faith and service, seem to be doin all the good things yet Jesus had something against them. I am like what does God expect from us. I understand he died and paid for our sins, but we live in a very tempting world today. He told them except they repent, but still how many times do they have to repent.

I heard some preachers preach that we us today will never be perfect until we get to heaven as long as we are in the flesh.This is not the case the bible clearly says to be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect. So could someone shed some light on this for me before I have a panic attack?

We do have to live a sinless life on this earth correct???

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You think you're going to heaven?

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Its a question I have, well according to Jesus we have to be perfect in order to go to heaven or to be with him or to accept us.

Those churches in revelation chapt 2-3 obeyed acts 2:38, they had charity,service,faith everything paul talked about.Yet Jesus still had some problems with them except they repent? So how do we get it right? Do we have to just repent with our mouth everyday for every little thing to be right. I dont know??

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It would help you to do a word study on the Greek word translated "perfect". You can do this with online Bible study helps such as Strongs, Vines, etc.

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alright I will look it up. thanks

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Well, it depends on what you and the Bble means by 'perfect". Sinless? Well, then there will be exactly one Person in heaven...Jesus. For He is the only One without sin. The Bible calls Job a perfect man. Yet, in studying Job, you'll find Job was a self-righteous man. He was proud of his "spirituality" and of his works of charity. Jobs test was to help him see his self-righteousness and, in the end, Job said "I hate myself". That was Jobs victory over his test. Jobs "perfection" was that he loved God and hated evil, but that doesn't mean Job was sinless. If he was sinless, he would had no need for God. If WE coud achieve some "sinless" state, we too, would have no need of a Savior.

Look at it this way, virtually every Bible "hero" committed some wrong doing. Adam, the first son of God, disobeyed God. Moses did too. David sinned as did his son, Solomon (the wisest man on earth). King Saul rebelled against God while Samson laid his head in the very lap of sin. And the list including Jonah, and, in the NT, Peter, who compromised with the Jews. Some repented, while others did not. Sin, in some form, is evidently, one of the flaws of human nature.

We are humans, born with flaws (thanks to Adam and Eve). The Lord helps us overcome them and forgives our flaws. Thats the reason John wrote 'But AND if we (Christians) sin, we have an Advocate...."

The word "perfect" in the Bible had different meanings than it does in our everyday venacular. Like the word "confess" We think "confess" just means to admit somethng. But, in the Bible "confess" also meant "to agree". I don't "admit" to God my sins because He already knew and knows them. I "agree" with God that my sin, is, well, sin, and I am in need of the Savior.

To equate "perfect" with "sinlessness" is to begin a long and arduous journey down a road of perpetual defeat. Just when we think we have achieved "perfection" some joker cuts us off in traffic and we say something in anger. Then, we think we have failed and have to "repent and do our first works" all over again. Paul said he never quite got there, and neither will we, not until we leave this body and all of its flaws behind.

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If we are in sin at any given time we should be afraid. If we ARE a Christian Jesus says he will rebuke and chasten us. Then if we dont repent why would we think we will enter his Kingdom? Jesus said better to pluck out eye, cut off hand than to commit a sin.

Men teach we cannot be consistently obedient to Jesus. They could not be more wrong.

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The Bible often uses what I call "absolute language" to stress a point. Example: 1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. and 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Wow...pretty "absolute".

Yet, in that same book, we read.... My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (Admittedly, I misquoted this verse in the above post. Was too lazy to look it up). As ated earlier, "perfection" doesn't necessarily equate "sinlessness".

God wants us to strive for a "sin-free" life. But, in spite of our best efforts, we may commit some wrong-doing. In spite of the fact that we, as Job, may "love God and hate evil". God doesn't scratch out name from His Book when we fail.... He offers us a forgiving, helping Hand.

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One Accord said:

Me:

I never said he would blot one out who fell. If they repent they will be restored. However if one does not come to the place of overcoming THIS is what Corvet is talking about.

3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev. 3:2-5

Is short our works must be perfect.

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Kinda hard to know if you're sinning, sometimes, isn't it? I mean really, who knows the complete list? It might even be a sin for me to type this post, being all cynical n stuff. :lol