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mizpeh 05-24-2011 05:54 PM
Is God in control?
 
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here’s a believer’s guide to appropriate responses to natural disasters:

* A tornado warning was called but no torndoes occurred: God loves us.
* Tornadoes occurred but they missed us: God protected us.
* A tornado destroyed our house but didn’t kill anybody: God has spared us.
* A tornado destroyed our house and injured somebody: God is testing us.
* A tornado destroyed our house and killed somebody: Daddy is walking with Jesus.

This is why religion is not science: it’s all about rationalization. http://sciencenotes.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/
What do you all think? As believers should we consider God to be in control of every aspect of our lives?

seekerman 05-24-2011 06:09 PM
Re: Is God in control?
 
God COULD be in control, but I don't think He chooses to be.

Timmy 05-24-2011 06:11 PM
Re: Is God in control?
 
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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1068876)
God COULD be in control, but I don't think He chooses to be.
I could save that child from the oncoming train, but I don't choose to.

seekerman 05-24-2011 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1068877)
I could save that child from the oncoming train, but I don't choose to.
I've used kinda the same analogy in the past. Mine has a person standing by a roadside, sees a child stepping into the path of an oncoming car. All the person has to do is simply reach out and pull the child to safety but instead just stands and watches the tragic event unfold. The question then is, what kind of individual would do such a thing?

Our analogy is flawed though for God (the individual watching the event unfold) created mankind with free will. In the earthly realm, there cannot be a comparison between the free will individual who watches the event unfold and God who watches the event unfold.

It's comparing apples and the creator of the apples.

Timmy 05-24-2011 06:37 PM
Re: Is God in control?
 
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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1068880)
I've used kinda the same analogy in the past. Mine has a person standing by a roadside, sees a child stepping into the path of an oncoming car. All the person has to do is simply reach out and pull the child to safety but instead just stands and watches the tragic event unfold. The question then is, what kind of individual would do such a thing?

Our analogy is flawed though for God (the individual watching the event unfold) created mankind with free will. In the earthly realm, there cannot be a comparison between the free will individual who watches the event unfold and God who watches the event unfold.

It's comparing apples and the creator of the apples.
It has nothing to do with free will, when a child is about to be killed, whether it's a human standing by and watching, or God.

mizpeh 05-24-2011 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1068883)
It has nothing to do with free will, when a child is about to be killed, whether it's a human standing by and watching, or God.
We all are appointed to die. It is inevitable. God's point of view is much different than our point of view. He knows if that child is killed by that train, then that child will leave his body and pass into the spirit realm which is a better place than this world.

BTW, Timmy, this thread is for you. I know you like to discuss the difficulty people have with a good, all-powerful God and the problem of evil.

seekerman 05-24-2011 07:24 PM
Re: Is God in control?
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1068883)
It has nothing to do with free will, when a child is about to be killed, whether it's a human standing by and watching, or God.
I disagree, it has everything to do with the free will of a person. We live in the system God put us in and for God to intervene in everything, preventing anyone from ever dying or suffering, preventing all earthquakes and tornadoes wouldn't be the system God has for His creation.

Like it or not, some individuals make freewill decisions which harm other people, God has nothing to do with it.

Timmy 05-24-2011 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1068889)
I disagree, it has everything to do with the free will of a person. We live in the system God put us in and for God to intervene in everything, preventing anyone from ever dying or suffering, preventing all earthquakes and tornadoes wouldn't be the system God has for His creation.

Like it or not, some individuals make freewill decisions which harm other people, God has nothing to do with it.
An accident with a train is not someone making a freewill decision to harm a child.

Timmy 05-24-2011 07:32 PM
Re: Is God in control?
 
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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 1068887)
We all are appointed to die. It is inevitable. God's point of view is much different than our point of view. He knows if that child is killed by that train, then that child will leave his body and pass into the spirit realm which is a better place than this world.

BTW, Timmy, this thread is for you. I know you like to discuss the difficulty people have with a good, all-powerful God and the problem of evil.
There is no "problem of evil" in my "theology". :lol

seekerman 05-24-2011 07:37 PM
Re: Is God in control?
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1068890)
An accident with a train is not someone making a freewill decision to harm a child.
When you said you could save a child from an oncoming train, but didn't, that's exercising your free will. It's your choice.


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