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Sister Alvear 07-01-2011 07:28 PM

David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
Has anyone read it?

We are studying it in our Bible School...

Dedicated Mind 07-01-2011 07:48 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
the oneness of god and the new birth have free online versions here:

http://www.newlifeupc.org/resources/...-bernard/books

sis alvear, did you see my post asking you about eliane silva? have you heard of her?

Praxeas 07-01-2011 08:31 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1077873)
Has anyone read it?

We are studying it in our Bible School...

I don't like it. It was not done well and or he did not think it through. While trying to avoid Nestorianism, he actually comes out with a Nestorian view point.

Some of his points can be construed to imply the Son was just a man or just a nature while other points might clear that up, Im afraid it still leads to a lot of confusion

Hoovie 07-01-2011 08:39 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1077878)
I don't like it. It was not done well and or he did not think it through. While trying to avoid Nestorianism, he actually comes out with a Nestorian view point.

Some of his points can be construed to imply the Son was just a man or just a nature while other points might clear that up, Im afraid it still leads to a lot of confusion

For those who believe that "Father" and "Son" are speaking of the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ the book is probably the best there is...

However, concerning Jesus, I believe the Father/Son distinction to be external rather than internal.

Question: To be truly Nestorian would one not need to teach Christ was two "persons"?

Dedicated Mind 07-01-2011 08:43 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1077878)
I don't like it. It was not done well and or he did not think it through. While trying to avoid Nestorianism, he actually comes out with a Nestorian view point.

Some of his points can be construed to imply the Son was just a man or just a nature while other points might clear that up, Im afraid it still leads to a lot of confusion

can you givea brief description of christ's nature that is more clear than db?

Dedicated Mind 07-01-2011 08:46 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1077879)
For those who believe that "Father" and "Son" are speaking of the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ the book is probably the best there is...

However, concerning Jesus, I believe the Father/Son distinction to be external rather than internal.

Question: To be truly Nestorian would one not need to teach Christ was two "persons"?

are you saying that you don't believe the father indwelt christ?

Sandra79 07-01-2011 08:52 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1077873)
Has anyone read it?

We are studying it in our Bible School...

No maam but I probably need to order it. I love Bro Bernards writings. Espec love his books on revival.

Praxeas 07-01-2011 09:01 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1077879)
For those who believe that "Father" and "Son" are speaking of the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ the book is probably the best there is...

However, concerning Jesus, I believe the Father/Son distinction to be external rather than internal.

Question: To be truly Nestorian would one not need to teach Christ was two "persons"?

One would need to assert the distinction between the Divine nature and Human nature and then either assert each was a person or attribute Personal actions to each nature

Praxeas 07-01-2011 09:02 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1077880)
can you givea brief description of christ's nature that is more clear than db?

Human natures don't pray. Persons pray because and by means OF their human nature

Hoovie 07-01-2011 09:07 PM

Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
 
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1077882)
are you saying that you don't believe the father indwelt christ?

The Father was in the Son and the Son in the Father. John 17:21

Beyond that, the essence of Christ's divinity was ontologically the same as the Father.

However, I think the term "Father" generally is a reference to God apart from and beyond the incarnation, while "Son" is a reference to God as he revealed Himself in and through the incarnation.

IMO the entire meaning gets jumbled when Oneness Pentecostals proclaim "Jesus is the Father and the Son!" It is simply not necessary to go there to show Jesus is human and divine. Nor is it necessary to go there to show a singular person of God.


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