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jfrog 11-23-2011 06:59 PM

Effective methods for changing a church within?
 
Do any methods exist that can be used to change a churches doctrines? or its leaders? or any other aspects that a person might want changed? If so what are those methods? Or what methods might work?

livefortruth 11-23-2011 07:48 PM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
Prayer
Good hearted debate

jfrog 11-23-2011 08:25 PM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
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Originally Posted by livefortruth (Post 1116035)
Prayer
Good hearted debate

What about purposefully doing something that is against the rules of the church in order to hopefully challenge whichever rule is wrong? For example a girl who is a member of a church which preaches against jewelry might wear jewelry to that church? Could that ever work in getting the no jewelry teaching changed?

Jay 11-23-2011 11:56 PM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
Anything that subverts the pastor directly or indirectly is rebellion and sin. This is true no matter what he preaches. The best way to handle it is to either talk directly to the pastor or leave.

Amanah 11-24-2011 03:10 AM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1116061)
Anything that subverts the pastor directly or indirectly is rebellion and sin. This is true no matter what he preaches. The best way to handle it is to either talk directly to the pastor or leave.

This kind of thought is why people drink the kool aid.
The Pastor is not infallible like the Pope, er wait . . .

Amanah 11-24-2011 03:16 AM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
To effect change in your church, you must have a good relationship with the Pastor. You must be someone he trusts and has known long enough to respect your opinion. You could then bring a subject up, and say why you believe that doing something a certain way is not working, and what you would propose should be done differently.
If you are speaking in love with concern for the Church, he just might hear what you are saying and give it some thought. Over time, if what you are proposing seems to be in the best interest of the Church, he just might take steps in that direction.

jfrog 11-24-2011 08:19 AM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1116061)
Anything that subverts the pastor directly or indirectly is rebellion and sin. This is true no matter what he preaches. The best way to handle it is to either talk directly to the pastor or leave.

I suppose you also thought Martin Luther King Jr was in rebellion when he led his peaceful protests?

Hoovie 11-24-2011 08:57 AM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1116061)
Anything that subverts the pastor directly or indirectly is rebellion and sin. This is true no matter what he preaches. The best way to handle it is to either talk directly to the pastor or leave.

I wholeheartedly disagree my fellow UPCer! If not for yourself then surely you owe the body and specifically the weaker brethren more than this. A pastor is fallible just like other human flesh. He simply does not have blanket authority to preach, much less enforce his whim of choice. He is bound by the authority and limitations of scripture.

mizpeh 11-24-2011 09:09 AM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1116024)
Do any methods exist that can be used to change a churches doctrines? or its leaders? or any other aspects that a person might want changed? If so what are those methods? Or what methods might work?

Prayer and fasting.

AreYouReady? 11-24-2011 11:05 AM

Re: Effective methods for changing a church within
 
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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1116061)
Anything that subverts the pastor directly or indirectly is rebellion and sin. This is true no matter what he preaches. The best way to handle it is to either talk directly to the pastor or leave.

My husband wants to know what scripture do you based this on? Or is this just your opinion?


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