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Jack Shephard 12-15-2011 11:31 AM

Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
Do you all believe in or think that people can contact or communicate from beyond the grave? Of course other than Jesus that is.

houston 12-15-2011 11:33 AM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
Nah.

Aquila 12-15-2011 11:56 AM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 1120999)
Do you all believe in or think that people can contact or communicate from beyond the grave? Of course other than Jesus that is.

We believe in a supernatural God. We believe in the immortality of the soul. We believe in angels. We believe in Satan. We believe in demons. We believe on tongues and spiritual gifts including miracles and healing. Why does this seem so far out for some?

Here's a question, if there is no possiblity of communication with the dead... why did God forbid it?
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
English Standard Version (ESV)
10There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD. And because of these abominations the LORD your God is driving them out before you.
I was once told that when attempting to contact the dead we open a door into the spiritual world. The righteous dead cannot be contacted. The wicked dead are bound in torments. However, DEMONS may hear and answer the attempt to contact the dead, mimmicking the dead. These are a form of familiar spirit. Also, when attempting to contact the dead these door ways open doors through which demonic spirits might escape the realms of Hell into our realm of reality.

Notice... when the witch at Endor conjured the spirit of Samuel for Saul... look at what transpired:
1 Samuel 28:8-25
King James Version (KJV)
8And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
9And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
10And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
11Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
12And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
13And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
I was told that essentially the witch saw "spirits" (demons) rising up out of the groud as she attempted to contact Saul. I was told that these are the demons and that these essentially escaped the spiritual plane back into our earthly reality to "haunt" or what have you.

Here's something interesting:
Acts 12:14-16
English Standard Version (ESV)
14Recognizing Peter’s voice, in her joy she did not open the gate but ran in and reported that Peter was standing at the gate. 15They said to her, "You are out of your mind." But she kept insisting that it was so, and they kept saying, "It is his angel!" 16But Peter continued knocking, and when they opened, they saw him and were amazed.
Did these believers think it was possible for Peter's spirit to return from the dead to warn them or communicate? Also... do the righteous dead exist in an angelic like state?

Jack Shephard 12-15-2011 12:32 PM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
I think that it is possible because it is happening to me...multiple times throughout the years. At least I feel that it has.

houston 12-15-2011 12:46 PM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 1121019)
I think that it is possible because it is happening to me...multiple times throughout the years. At least I feel that it has.

You into divination? and, do you own a python?

Aquila 12-15-2011 12:52 PM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
Sometimes I feel my mother's presence. She's been asleep for several years now. Like those who thought that it was Peter's "angel" come to their door (Acts 12:15)... I like to imagine that it might be my mother's angel come to minister to me. I've spoken out loud to her conversationally... but no one talks back. :( I miss her.

Jack Shephard 12-15-2011 12:56 PM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1121025)
You into divination? and, do you own a python?

No and no.

Jack Shephard 12-15-2011 12:59 PM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1121029)
Sometimes I feel my mother's presence. She's been asleep for several years now. Like those who thought that it was Peter's "angel" come to their door (Acts 12:15)... I like to imagine that it might be my mother's angel come to minister to me. I've spoken out loud to her conversationally... but no one talks back. :( I miss her.

See mine is my mother too. I hear certain songs she told me to live out being played on the wrong channels on the radio, people saying things to me that were exactly word for word things she told me, my daughter talks to her as if she is in the room, as of today she has been gone 4 years. Today someone gave me a gift, again on the anniversary of her death, that was her favorite type of candy stuff and he told me "I don't know why I got them for you but I felt I had to" and I told him they were my Moms fav...he started crying.

Aquila 12-15-2011 01:08 PM

Re: Speaking from beyond the grave...
 
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 1121032)
See mine is my mother too. I hear certain songs she told me to live out being played on the wrong channels on the radio, people saying things to me that were exactly word for word things she told me, my daughter talks to her as if she is in the room, as of today she has been gone 4 years. Today someone gave me a gift, again on the anniversary of her death, that was her favorite type of candy stuff and he told me "I don't know why I got them for you but I felt I had to" and I told him they were my Moms fav...he started crying.

I do know some people believe that we essentially become angels upon death. They believe that while, we are not truly angels as the Holy Angels are... we are "as the angels of Heaven". And we often hear of guardian angels. Whose to say if a loving mother desired to be the guardian angel of a beloved son... our loving and tender God wouldn't allow her?

Angels also have a unique ministry beyond merely "guarding us" from dangers and evil spirits. They also minister to us and encourage us through their own prayers and through revealing their own presence, assuring us that we are not alone in our spiritual journey.
Mark 1:13
And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Perhaps, for some reason, the Lord as sent her angel to minister to you.

Jack Shephard 12-15-2011 01:10 PM

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We do entertain angels unaware too so...


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