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Aquila 03-12-2012 10:01 AM

The Essence of Biblical Christianity:
 
The Essence of Biblical Christianity:

I’ve been associated with the Apostolic movement since I was 13 years old (23 years ago). I’ve attended several different Apostolic churches, each having different standards and guidelines. I’ve fellowshipped with many brethren, also each having a different set of standards and guidelines. Each list of standards ranges from being ultra-conservative to liberal. I’ve been rebuked over sleeve length, pant length, hair length, facial hair, watching television, standing against television, having wedding bands, not having wedding bands, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So, I’ve been on a journey to try to discover “my faith”. My life fell apart and my marriage failed about four years ago. I had done all that I knew to do…but it wasn’t enough. Since that time, I’ve been looking for the essence of what I believe. I’ve wrestled with theological issues, various doctrines, various teachings. I’ve wrestled with every clothing standard, hair standard, jewelry standard, media standard, financial standard…but recently I’ve started to discover a few things that are sticking with me. Some of you here have helped me understand these concepts better. And for that I thank you. So here’s where I’m at right now… Here goes…

It’s not about us. We are one Spirit with the Lord, if we have the Holy Ghost. Jesus desires to live out His life out through us. Oneness is more than a Christology; it’s a way of life. We have a oneness with God that mirrors that which Christ had. We are joined with the Father, one in Spirit. That also means… we are one with one another. The Church, with Christ as its head, isn’t an organization, it’s an “organism”. We are each a part of that organism. That organism is called, “the church”. We are to walk in the Spirit to the point wherein Jesus Himself flows our very being. We should feel His feelings, speak His words, and do His deeds. But in the real world, how does the practical application of this look?

Must we keep the entirety of the law?
Must we hold to a list of standards?
Must we keep the Ten Commandments?
Can we eat pork?
What about Christmas trees?
Can women wear pants?
Can women cut their hair?

How is this “life in Christ” lived out?

I began studying about every denomination that I could. I began to even study other religions. That’s when I noticed something. They all have a list of “do’s-and don’ts”, a listing of dress codes, dietary codes, distinction codes as it relates to gender or their own ceremonial purity. That’s when it dawned on me…all these standards really don’t separate Christians from the world. They only make Christianity look like all the other religions. At that point “standards” started feeling “worldly” to me.

But certainly God doesn’t want us living in a moral chaos. So I began to lean towards the Ten Commandments as being my standards. Sure, they seemed reasonable, moral, ethical, logical, etc. But there was still a problem. The reality of the problem was revealed to me on the Sabbath threads. And the more I studied the “law of Christ” the more I began to realize and see something I never quite saw, or maybe fully understood before. Jesus essentially summarized the way we are to live. It’s sweet and simple… here are the commandments of Christ:
Matthew 22:38-40 (KJV)
35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Mark 12:28-31 (KJV)
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Luke 10:25-29 (KJV)
25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Jesus wanted his followers to embrace only one law, the law of love. This law is fulfilled through having love towards God and towards one another. Love for neighbor, and even enemy. Love. This simple principle should direct our path in all that we do. Instead of asking if there is a law or standard against a given action, why not ask if it exhibits true love, the God kind of love?

I put this into practice the past week. I got up in the morning determined to love. Just love. Every time I met someone, I thought, “I must love this person. REALLY love them.” I guess my demeanor changed a little. Because before I knew it conversations became more friendly, subjects softer, more people smiled, I was praised at work for the exemplary work I was doing.

I believe that I’m starting to realize that all God desires from us is that we love Him, and love others, with all that we are. Merely obeying a set list of standards or laws plucked from the OT will not exhibit love. In fact, the vast majority of laws in the OT can be fulfilled without truly loving a soul. I’m not sure if I’ve ever truly “loved” people. Folks, God just wants us to love.

I just thought I’d share where I’m at in my journey.


God bless!

RandyWayne 03-12-2012 10:13 AM

Re: The Essence of Biblical Christianity:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1147494)
The Essence of Biblical Christianity:

I’ve been associated with the Apostolic movement since I was 13 years old (23 years ago). I’ve attended several different Apostolic churches, each having different standards and guidelines. I’ve fellowshipped with many brethren, also each having a different set of standards and guidelines. Each list of standards ranges from being ultra-conservative to liberal. I’ve been rebuked over sleeve length, pant length, hair length, facial hair, watching television, standing against television, having wedding bands, not having wedding bands, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So, I’ve been on a journey to try to discover “my faith”. My life fell apart and my marriage failed about four years ago. I had done all that I knew to do…but it wasn’t enough. Since that time, I’ve been looking for the essence of what I believe. I’ve wrestled with theological issues, various doctrines, various teachings. I’ve wrestled with every clothing standard, hair standard, jewelry standard, media standard, financial standard…but recently I’ve started to discover a few things that are sticking with me. Some of you here have helped me understand these concepts better. And for that I thank you. So here’s where I’m at right now… Here goes…

It’s not about us. We are one Spirit with the Lord, if we have the Holy Ghost. Jesus desires to live out His life out through us. Oneness is more than a Christology; it’s a way of life. We have a oneness with God that mirrors that which Christ had. We are joined with the Father, one in Spirit. That also means… we are one with one another. The Church, with Christ as its head, isn’t an organization, it’s an “organism”. We are each a part of that organism. That organism is called, “the church”. We are to walk in the Spirit to the point wherein Jesus Himself flows our very being. We should feel His feelings, speak His words, and do His deeds. But in the real world, how does the practical application of this look?

Must we keep the entirety of the law?
Must we hold to a list of standards?
Must we keep the Ten Commandments?
Can we eat pork?
What about Christmas trees?
Can women wear pants?
Can women cut their hair?

How is this “life in Christ” lived out?

I began studying about every denomination that I could. I began to even study other religions. That’s when I noticed something. They all have a list of “do’s-and don’ts”, a listing of dress codes, dietary codes, distinction codes as it relates to gender or their own ceremonial purity. That’s when it dawned on me…all these standards really don’t separate Christians from the world. They only make Christianity look like all the other religions. At that point “standards” started feeling “worldly” to me.

But certainly God doesn’t want us living in a moral chaos. So I began to lean towards the Ten Commandments as being my standards. Sure, they seemed reasonable, moral, ethical, logical, etc. But there was still a problem. The reality of the problem was revealed to me on the Sabbath threads. And the more I studied the “law of Christ” the more I began to realize and see something I never quite saw, or maybe fully understood before. Jesus essentially summarized the way we are to live. It’s sweet and simple… here are the commandments of Christ:
Matthew 22:38-40 (KJV)
35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Mark 12:28-31 (KJV)
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Luke 10:25-29 (KJV)
25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Jesus wanted his followers to embrace only one law, the law of love. This law is fulfilled through having love towards God and towards one another. Love for neighbor, and even enemy. Love. This simple principle should direct our path in all that we do. Instead of asking if there is a law or standard against a given action, why not ask if it exhibits true love, the God kind of love?

I put this into practice the past week. I got up in the morning determined to love. Just love. Every time I met someone, I thought, “I must love this person. REALLY love them.” I guess my demeanor changed a little. Because before I knew it conversations became more friendly, subjects softer, more people smiled, I was praised at work for the exemplary work I was doing.

I believe that I’m starting to realize that all God desires from us is that we love Him, and love others, with all that we are. Merely obeying a set list of standards or laws plucked from the OT will not exhibit love. In fact, the vast majority of laws in the OT can be fulfilled without truly loving a soul. I’m not sure if I’ve ever truly “loved” people. Folks, God just wants us to love.

I just thought I’d share where I’m at in my journey.


God bless!

Good thoughts. And for those who say that "love" is all you need (not standards), there will be those who equate it to easy believism. Well there is nothing easy about truly loving someone -oh it IS easy if the person is easy to love, but what about your jerk of a neighbor who does all manner of idiotic things to make your neighborhood a place of constant stress? What about the guy who cheats who steals your identity, along with a few thousand of YOUR dollars? There is nothing easy about loving some people, even though we are commanded too. Maybe this is why true "love" is so rarely taught by strong holiness preachers. It doesn't get the "amen!"'s and shouts that a good sermon on all the things women shouldn't be allowed to do does!

Dordrecht 03-12-2012 10:13 AM

Re: The Essence of Biblical Christianity:
 
Thanks for sharing. Good piece!
I know what you have been going through.
I left the UPCI last year, totally disgusted with all the "works" and hammering away at "works".

Jesus died on the cross for us, and that's all we have to put our faith in.
Praise God!

Amanah 03-12-2012 10:15 AM

Re: The Essence of Biblical Christianity:
 
Have you ever listened to Micke Bickle teach on the Sermon on the Mount.
I'm convinced that understanding the Sermon on the Mount is the answer to the question "how shall we live?"

And Bickle teaches it better then anyone I've heard to date

http://mikebickle.org/resources/seri...n-on-the-mount

RandyWayne 03-12-2012 10:17 AM

Re: The Essence of Biblical Christianity:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1147497)
Good thoughts. And for those who say that "love" is all you need (not standards), there will be those who equate it to easy believism. Well there is nothing easy about truly loving someone -oh it IS easy if the person is easy to love, but what about your jerk of a neighbor who does all manner of idiotic things to make your neighborhood a place of constant stress? What about the guy who cheats who steals your identity, along with a few thousand of YOUR dollars? There is nothing easy about loving some people, even though we are commanded too. Maybe this is why true "love" is so rarely taught by strong holiness preachers. It doesn't get the "amen!"'s and shouts that a good sermon on all the things women shouldn't be allowed to do does!

Too add to this, you will find yourself sleeping much better at night when you strive to love all those around you. Far far better than from the self righteousness of following the rule book to the letter.

Love is also the ultimate witness to someone who is lost. NOT your "uncut hair" or jean skirt -those are mere conversation starters (which DO occasional work, but we are not meant to witness by being different for the purpose of causing others to ASK about our different appearances).

Amanah 03-12-2012 10:34 AM

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A New Commandment

31 When he had gone out, Jesus said, “Now is the Son of Man glorified, and God is glorified in him.
32 If God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself, and glorify him at once.
33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. You will seek me, and just as I said to the Jews, so now I also say to you, ‘Where I am going you cannot come.’
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Amanah 03-12-2012 10:37 AM

Re: The Essence of Biblical Christianity:
 
The Way of Love

1 Cor 13
1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[b]
6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

AreYouReady? 03-12-2012 10:49 AM

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Thanks for sharing this Aquilla.

It reminds me that the love of God within us never cankers like the material possessions people strive to obtain.

Aquila 03-12-2012 10:51 AM

Awesome responses my brothers and sisters!

DaveC519 03-12-2012 10:56 AM

Re: The Essence of Biblical Christianity:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1147494)
The Essence of Biblical Christianity:

I’ve been associated with the Apostolic movement since I was 13 years old (23 years ago). I’ve attended several different Apostolic churches, each having different standards and guidelines. I’ve fellowshipped with many brethren, also each having a different set of standards and guidelines. Each list of standards ranges from being ultra-conservative to liberal. I’ve been rebuked over sleeve length, pant length, hair length, facial hair, watching television, standing against television, having wedding bands, not having wedding bands, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So, I’ve been on a journey to try to discover “my faith”. My life fell apart and my marriage failed about four years ago. I had done all that I knew to do…but it wasn’t enough. Since that time, I’ve been looking for the essence of what I believe. I’ve wrestled with theological issues, various doctrines, various teachings. I’ve wrestled with every clothing standard, hair standard, jewelry standard, media standard, financial standard…but recently I’ve started to discover a few things that are sticking with me. Some of you here have helped me understand these concepts better. And for that I thank you. So here’s where I’m at right now… Here goes…

It’s not about us. We are one Spirit with the Lord, if we have the Holy Ghost. Jesus desires to live out His life out through us. Oneness is more than a Christology; it’s a way of life. We have a oneness with God that mirrors that which Christ had. We are joined with the Father, one in Spirit. That also means… we are one with one another. The Church, with Christ as its head, isn’t an organization, it’s an “organism”. We are each a part of that organism. That organism is called, “the church”. We are to walk in the Spirit to the point wherein Jesus Himself flows our very being. We should feel His feelings, speak His words, and do His deeds. But in the real world, how does the practical application of this look?

Must we keep the entirety of the law?
Must we hold to a list of standards?
Must we keep the Ten Commandments?
Can we eat pork?
What about Christmas trees?
Can women wear pants?
Can women cut their hair?

How is this “life in Christ” lived out?

I began studying about every denomination that I could. I began to even study other religions. That’s when I noticed something. They all have a list of “do’s-and don’ts”, a listing of dress codes, dietary codes, distinction codes as it relates to gender or their own ceremonial purity. That’s when it dawned on me…all these standards really don’t separate Christians from the world. They only make Christianity look like all the other religions. At that point “standards” started feeling “worldly” to me.

But certainly God doesn’t want us living in a moral chaos. So I began to lean towards the Ten Commandments as being my standards. Sure, they seemed reasonable, moral, ethical, logical, etc. But there was still a problem. The reality of the problem was revealed to me on the Sabbath threads. And the more I studied the “law of Christ” the more I began to realize and see something I never quite saw, or maybe fully understood before. Jesus essentially summarized the way we are to live. It’s sweet and simple… here are the commandments of Christ:
Matthew 22:38-40 (KJV)
35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Mark 12:28-31 (KJV)
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Luke 10:25-29 (KJV)
25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Jesus wanted his followers to embrace only one law, the law of love. This law is fulfilled through having love towards God and towards one another. Love for neighbor, and even enemy. Love. This simple principle should direct our path in all that we do. Instead of asking if there is a law or standard against a given action, why not ask if it exhibits true love, the God kind of love?

I put this into practice the past week. I got up in the morning determined to love. Just love. Every time I met someone, I thought, “I must love this person. REALLY love them.” I guess my demeanor changed a little. Because before I knew it conversations became more friendly, subjects softer, more people smiled, I was praised at work for the exemplary work I was doing.

I believe that I’m starting to realize that all God desires from us is that we love Him, and love others, with all that we are. Merely obeying a set list of standards or laws plucked from the OT will not exhibit love. In fact, the vast majority of laws in the OT can be fulfilled without truly loving a soul. I’m not sure if I’ve ever truly “loved” people. Folks, God just wants us to love.

I just thought I’d share where I’m at in my journey.


God bless!

You are not far from the Kingdom of God. :)


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