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The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

Politics, the Economy, Education, and Religion
are presented as the 4 hidden dynasties
controlled by satan. What do you think?

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

Well byrd, why don't you give us a little more info about what you think and we can go from there.

You do realize though, that some would say that it is all "conspiracy theory" without providing any proof of rebuttal.

Fact, is there is real conspiracy going on right under the noses of the people.

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1164495)

Politics, the Economy, Education, and Religion
are presented as the 4 hidden dynasties
controlled by satan. What do you think?

You need to define "dynasty" for the context of the discussion.

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

1 John 5:19 says
"...the whole world lieth in wickedness" (KJV)
"... lies under the sway of the wicked one" (NKJV)
"...lies under the power of the evil one" ((NIV, NLB, NASB).

Jesus called satan, "the prince of this world" in John 14:30

Paul called satan, "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4

When satan tempted Jesus he showed Him "all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time" and said, "all this power (authority) will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will give it" Luke4:5-6.

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

I've only heard this a couple times, Arnold Murray.
Sam has pointed out what might be termed the
Political, or maybe Economic, dynasties, but
Murray et al extend this to the areas of Education
and Religion.

AYR's "Fact, is there is real conspiracy going on right under the noses of the people"
is what I hoped might be clarified a bit more here; we are all generally aware of
satan's influence in these areas.

BR, as for defining "dynasty," I think what
is meant is "An area that a democracy might
assume they control, when in fact they do not,"
although a better def might arise here.

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1164565)

We have a federal level education bureau which oversees and sets curriculum and standards for education at that federal level. Remember, public schools are government schools. This way it can be mandated what is taught as far as history and morality and ethics from a federal level on down and imposed upon the local schools.

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009, post: 20653

Well, I'd say that no one is good who has not accepted Christ...

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Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20655

You really should stop saying that. It's not true, it's ridiculous, and it makes you look bad. It's an _______ thing to say.

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009, post: 20656

It's true, and it works. "Christ" = "Good" in the most literal way, and "Love Your Neighbor" should be considered a Name of Christ, to a human's literal thinking. Our image of Christ, that picture we have in mind when saying "...in Christ's Name..." is irrelevant to anyone else, God included. Meaning it is relevant only to you.

You only get what you give away;
ty for your contribution?

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Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20657

Oh, I forgot. You don't post in English.

Well, most just lose what they hoard, but whatever.
How does "You only get..." not track as English?
See how confessing what you're getting also reflects what you're giving,
and is a beacon to others.

You and a friend often have the same assessment
of another, even vying to come up with just the right word, maybe-
-their beacon.

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--and then
really blossomed when I examined casting lots
to find God's will, to my surprise.

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Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20655

Doing this and saying that it works make you look stupid.

:toofunny
Ya, it's only for when you're ready to get serious;
and serious to God is going to look stupid to you. Count on it.
I committed to following the results, of course.
Then, you commit to asking the Q's that start getting posed to you...
This really isn't for the faint-hearted; count the cost.
Your life will change completely, and your family will flip out.
Don't worry, they'll come around; or not.

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

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Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20672

I talked about this on AFF, as you'll recall. I suggested rolling a die ten times (or whatever you do to "cast lots"), and find out if God's answer was the same every time. Next time you want to know God's will, would you mind trying this? If you get 10 "yeses" or 10 "nos" in a row, then I will be very surprised. (Assuming 'yes' and 'no' are defined reasonably. If 1 is yes and 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 is no, then 10 nos in a row would not be that impressive. In fact, why not designate "3" to be yes and "5" to be no? Anything else would indicate that God didn't influence it. Nothing but ten 3's in a row or ten 5's in a row will be a success.

But you won't do this. You'll have some excuse, like it would be displeasing to God or something. But I know the real reason. It is because you actually do know that casting a lot to find God's will is actually bunk. It is a random action, which will not really be influenced by God. You know this, but you will not admit to knowing it. Your refusal to try the 10-roll experiment is very telling. You (ahem - are you ready for this?) have revealed your premises!

Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165261)

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some days i feel like this, just a little spec amongst big walls

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009, post: 20677

Unfortunately, as in life, you do not get to set the rules;
you are seeking a miracle there, and no, I'm not interested.
You are correct, my premises are revealed.

I'm dragging this over here so that you may get some other reflections,
as I'll be away until tonight. Lots should be easy to Bible search, and there
is not a secret there. I just explained my experience of Casting Lots,
which entails no miracles, and one throw per Q.