BG And The HGB
 

By “BG and the HGB” I mean “Billy Graham and the Holy Ghost Baptism.”

By “Holy Ghost” I mean “Holy Spirit.” Some of us call Him the Holy Ghost and some of us call Him the Holy Spirit. The two terms are used interchangeably among Christians. Our English language is made up from many sources but principally it comes from German or Saxon and French which were both spoken in England and developed into the English language. The French word “espirit” and the Latin word “spiritus” became the English word “spirit” and the German word “geist” became the English word “gast” and later became “ghost” so we have those two words in our language which mean the same thing. Some prefer to use the term “Holy Ghost” and some prefer to use the term “Holy Spirit.”

I had a preacher tell me one time that a ghost is a departed spirit and after Jesus departed He sent us His spirit/ghost so we should use the term Holy Ghost instead of Holy Spirit.

Billy Graham is a very respected person and religious leader. These are some comments by him about the Holy Spirit Baptism:



This is from page 16 of the February 1962 issue of Voice Magazine published by the FGBMFI (Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International). It is my understanding that it is from a message delivered before a group of ministers at Sacramento, CA.

Be Baptized With The Holy Spirit
by Billy Graham

We have learned much about the power of the Holy Spirit. You know, in the main denominations, we have looked a bit askance at our brethren from the Pentecostal churches because of their emphasis on the Holy Spirit.

I wonder if one of the secrets of Pentecostalism cannot be learned by our main stream churches by placing emphasis on the Holy Spirit. I am sure that my Pentecostal brethren that are here today would agree with me that there have been extremes and excesses that have embarrassed many of them at times, but I want to tell you I believe the time has come to give the Holy Spirit His rightful place in our preaching, in our teaching, and in our churches! We need to go back and study again what Paul meant when he said, "Be filled with the Spirit.” We need to learn once again what it means to be Baptized with the Holy Spirit. I know that we can rationalize, and immediately ten thousand theological questions arise and we try to figure it all out; but brethren, I want to tell you that we need to accept, we need to get something! Give it any terminology you want, but we do not have the same dynamic and the same power the Early Church had.

They had no Bibles, no seminaries nor Bible schools, no radios, no telephones, no printing presses, nothing! However, they turned the world upside down in one generation! What did they have? They had an experience with the living Christ! They had the filling of the Holy Spirit!

Look what we should be doing with our churches and seminaries, and all the other factitious that we have.

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And that is a very good question. Why aren't we?

As I drove along a well-traveled city street today, I looked to my left and saw a Methodist food pantry parking lot all covered up with vehicles. It wasn't even opened yet and people were lined up waiting at the door.

I see Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc charities and food pantries...but I see NO Oneness Pentecostal outreach ministries in this region.

There is such a need and OPs have such a great opportunity to teach gospel of Christ and give to them with love, the things they need.

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Looks like he was on to something here!! And these are words that are still needed to be heard today!!!!

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Agreed wholeheartedly!!

My husband growing up lived in desperate poverty but his mother attended a wealthy OP church of one of the strictest in dress code, attendance and so on. When they needed food or help with bills, or glasses, it was not their church they went to for help, but to the Salvation Army. If it hadn't been for the Salvation Army, they wouldn't have had the necessary things they needed to live many times, and people in the church could care less to lend a hand, a dollar, or even prayers.

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My experience in OP churches is that it it widely believed that if you are 'living right' you will be 'blessed' and that blessing will be in the form of finances and health. Of course the other side of that coin is that if you are poor or sick there must be some sin in your life that is the cause. And that, I believe is why many OP churches lack not only outreach ministry but also any internal programs to help the struggling except in the most temporary way i.e. bringing food after a death or surgery.

I've yet to find the verse in the bible that guarantees those who love God will always be blessed materially and believe that one can love God with heart, mind and strength and still be financially poor or sick. Moreover I believe that many times what those who have been blessed in these areas do for those who haven't says a lot more about us than them. IOW it's a test.

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So I was going to lave it alone but since MTD mentioned it below... Do you realize Sam that BG no longer believes you need Jesus for salvation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0

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As to Billy Graham I guess he never perservered with the revelation he was given. Since he rejected more light he wound up teaching you dont even need Jesus to be saved.

As to OP Churches they are in my experience not trained for fellowship or outreach. They are trained to attend Church and listen to sermons. Now of course they are not all 100% that way just speaking from the most of my experience.

Its a shame because they do have some great truth to share.

That's not what he said.

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Really Houston?

"They don't even know the name of Jesus... I believe they will be saved" BG

Seems in direct contrast to:

"There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12

No?

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I've listened to this before and again today. To me it appears that what Billy Graham is saying is the same thing I was taught at the Apostolic Bible Institute back in 1956/1957. This is some times called "The Light Doctrine" and some times called "Three classes in Heaven." It was taught by Ken Haney's father at the Bible college in Stockton, by Bro. Norris at ABI, by F.E. Curts (Ohio Dist. Supt. and Bible Teacher), and by Bishop G.T. Haywood.

As presented by these men those who have called out or reached out to God in their hearts but have not heard, or maybe heard but not understood the Gospel sufficiently to accept or reject it, will be among all those raised at the second resurrection (Revelation 20:5-15; Matthew 25:31-46)

This is what G.T. Haywood said about the second resurrection:

The Second Resurrection.
According to the inspired word of God the resurrection of the
"blessed and Holy" is completed a thousand years before the second
resurrection. It is from this point that we are obliged to note the
difference between partakers of the two resurrections.

After the thousand years expire "the rest of the dead" (those who
did not come forth in the first resurrection) both righteous and
wicked, live again and are made to stand before God. It is then that
Jesus separates them as a shepherd divideth the sheep from the goat
according to Matt. 25:31-46.

In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all
ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid
opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have
never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during
the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given
eternal life at the last resurrection.

Many righteous people have died without the Holy Ghost and
the question has been asked: "Where will they come in?" They shall be
given eternal life in the last day. They shall inherit the New
Earth where life eternal reigns because "there shall be no more death.
If we desire to take part in the first resurrection we must be
filled with the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. It
is the church of the First-born that takes part in the first
resurrection. To enter into that Church, which is his body, we must be
baptized into it by both water and the Spirit. (See John 3:5; Rom.
6:3-5; 1 Cor. 12:12, 13; Gal. 3:26-28.

The time for the first resurrection is at hand. Are you
preparing to meet the Bridegroom? You must get oil within your vessels
and have your lamps trimmed and burning. Soon shall we hear the
midnight cry - "BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH."
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Bro. S.G. Norris taught what is some times called "holy, righteous, and wicked." The "holy" are those who have obeyed Acts 2:38 since Pentecost; plus the Old Testament prophets who had the Holy Spirit in their lives; plus the children of at least one parent who had obeyed Acts 2:38 according to 1 Corinthians 7:14; plus those who were martyred in the tribulation. These were all in the first resurrection. Then, at the second resurrection, all who had walked in all the light they had received eternal life at the Great White Throne judgment (second resurrection) and went into the new earth.
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A while back I read a book titled "Prophetic Research, The Study of Eschatology" by Clyde Haney. Actually Than Haney (Clyde's grandson and Ken's son) published the book from Clyde Haney's notes. On pages 53 and 54 in his comments on The Great White Throne Judgment of Rev. 20:11-14
“The dead, small and great’ --while there are no born again folks raised here, yet we doubt that all all who are raised are cast into hell. Here is the answer to the question asked by many, “What will God do about those who did not have the gospel, but walked in all the light they had?”...some who come up for judgment here will not be cast into the lake of fire....It is evident that these resurrection Scriptures refer not to the Rapture, but the final resurrection; also that the two orders, just and unjust, come up when all in the graves are summoned. Thus the White Throne Judgment will be a great event covering a longer period of time than generally realized. But while the just will be judged, the church, the Holy Order, will not be judged there. The Bible teaches three orders -- the just, the righteous, and the holy. The Bride is the Holy Order. Then cometh the end....
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So, what Billy Graham was saying on the tv program is what has been taught in UPC Bible Schools and what is believed by many OP teachers and preachers.