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OneAccord 09-08-2012 05:17 PM

Something I've been studying....
 
I wrote this while studying and am interested in your thoughts. Thanks.

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There was a time, a long, long time ago, that the Bible provided no forgiveness for sin. Well, that’s not quite accurate, because there was no Bible at that time period.. So, to be accurate, I should say that there was a point in time when God provided no forgiveness.

That period was from Adam to Moses. From the Creation to the giving of the Law. The word “forgiven” is not even in the Bible until Lev.4:20. We do find the word “forgive” in Gen. 50, but the word is used in relation to Joseph and his brothers. (See “Who did Joseph’s brothers sell him to…to Egypt?”) So, not once, between the creation and the giving of the Law of Moses, do we find God forgiving sin.In fact, Paul wrote these words: Rom 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. There was no provision for forgiveness of sin until the Law was given through Moses. The only way for sin to be dealt with during that time was through death. All but 8 souls died in the Flood because “…the wickedness of man was great in the earth.” Sodom and Gormorrah were destroyed because of sin. Death was the only means to deal with sin until God provided for the atonement of sin in the Law.

For sin to be forgiven or atoned, a blood sacrifice was required. And the Law of Blood Sacrifice was not instituted until Moses led the children of Israel out of Egypt. And even that was temporal, meaning that the Blood Sacrifice was to be annual sacrifice. The blood of animals only “covered“ sin… it was only the Blood of Jesus that could wash away sin.. Think of it… from Adam until the Law, not a single person ever repented for their sins. There was no forgiveness for the sins of men. We’ve heard it said that the people of Noahs days were given 7 days to enter the Ark, but, there isn’t any indication of this in the Bible. So, what happened to the “Pre- Law” people who lived and died without the opportunity to repent of their sins? 1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Who were these “spirits in prison” but those who had died before the Law who had no opportunity to repent of their sins?

So, how did God deal with sin before the Law?

He eradicated it. The Bible says that in Noahs day, the “wickedness of men was great” and that God regretted making man. So, He said “I will destroy man who I have created…” In Lots day, he destroyed the inhabitant of two cities to eradicate the “abominations of the earth”. Until the Law was given, God’s only recourse was to destroy the wicked, because there was no provision for the forgiveness of sin.

houston 09-08-2012 06:12 PM

Wow.

Sam 09-08-2012 09:26 PM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
The principle of animal sacrifice began in the garden when God sacrificed an animal and from its skin provided garments to cover Adam and Eve.

By faith Abel offered an animal sacrifice and it was accepted. Cain's sacrifice from the fruit of the ground was rejected.

Noah offered blood sacrifice.

Abram offered blood sacrifice.

OneAccord 09-09-2012 07:28 AM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1187272)
The principle of animal sacrifice began in the garden when God sacrificed an animal and from its skin provided garments to cover Adam and Eve.

By faith Abel offered an animal sacrifice and it was accepted. Cain's sacrifice from the fruit of the ground was rejected.

Noah offered blood sacrifice.

Abram offered blood sacrifice.

True... but again... I find nothing from Adam until the Law that provides for the forgiveness of sin.

bbyrd009 09-09-2012 08:09 AM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
This is because there was no sin,
since there was no law.

HolyFire 09-09-2012 04:25 PM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

AreYouReady? 09-09-2012 04:36 PM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1187318)
This is because there was no sin,
since there was no law.

:thumbsup

But can I put it in my own phrase?

There was no law against the sin at that time. Abram, Issac and Jacob would be committing the sin of adultery if they lived in today's world. And they would be running afoul of the law of this land...bigamy/polygamy.

Perhaps God saw how having multiple wives and children by them created strife and contention?

bbyrd009 09-09-2012 09:52 PM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
Ha I have heard marriage
considered as a "problem
creating device."

And yes, surely God knows the problems it would cause,
but as I remember the lesson, humans wouldn't have it otherwise;
like having a king.

bbyrd009 09-09-2012 10:00 PM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
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Originally Posted by HolyFire (Post 1187364)
Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

Also true. Not even very surprising, if you think about it.
There's an apparent contradiction for everything else :lol
I'm serious. The point being that the Holy Spirit never generalizes.
Every case is specific to here and now.

Law had not been given, and so sin
did not exist; and yet grievous sin became evident.

AreYouReady? 09-09-2012 10:38 PM

Re: Something I've been studying....
 
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Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1187365)
:thumbsup

But can I put it in my own phrase?

There was no law against the sin at that time. Abram, Issac and Jacob would be committing the sin of adultery if they lived in today's world. And they would be running afoul of the law of this land...bigamy/polygamy.

Perhaps God saw how having multiple wives and children by them created strife and contention?

I must retract that about Issac..and not lump him in with Abraham and Jacob on the marital issue. Issac only had Rebecca for wife.


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