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Jermyn Davidson 03-16-2013 01:12 PM

A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
That's how I would sum up the doctrinal differences between OP's and TP's.

The Godhead difference really is a difference, and not just a mincing of words to cause division.

Often, I sum up the differences to be a reflection of the carnality of even our most holy elders and Bishops-- believing that God looks at His children of the various flocks and folds and shakes His Head at our lack of unity.


Still, there are moments like right now, when I think about the differences, and I see the vast chasm, and I wonder how is it even possible for one of these groups of sincere believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ be saved and be so, so wrong?

If OP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.
If TP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.

Amazing Grace doesn't even really begin to describe what would be needed for there to be Believers from both schools of thought to be saved!

free-at-last 03-16-2013 01:30 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
Can't be both sides just agree that we will each pray for the grace to begin a sincere peaceful loving conversation

Jermyn Davidson 03-16-2013 01:42 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by free-at-last (Post 1234902)
Can't be both sides just agree that we will each pray for the grace to begin a sincere peaceful loving conversation

You're speaking of conversation, and I am speaking of the salvation of the very souls of the two very different doctrinal stance adherents.

CC1 03-16-2013 02:20 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
As that famous philosopher and humanitarian Rodney King once said "Can't we all just get along?"

Farfel 03-16-2013 02:41 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1234897)
That's how I would sum up the doctrinal differences between OP's and TP's.

The Godhead difference really is a difference, and not just a mincing of words to cause division.

Often, I sum up the differences to be a reflection of the carnality of even our most holy elders and Bishops-- believing that God looks at His children of the various flocks and folds and shakes His Head at our lack of unity.


Still, there are moments like right now, when I think about the differences, and I see the vast chasm, and I wonder how is it even possible for one of these groups of sincere believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ be saved and be so, so wrong?

If OP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.
If TP's are wrong, we are very, very wrong.

Amazing Grace doesn't even really begin to describe what would be needed for there to be Believers from both schools of thought to be saved!

I hope I'm not being dense, but are you concerned that one's salvation could be at jeopardy because of division, or because of fallible doctrine?

Hoovie 03-16-2013 02:57 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
Salvation-wise I have never once questioned that the body of Christ is composed of Christians from many walks of life and denominational identification.

Jermyn, God is greater than our perceptions and our theological divisions. I understand that differences do exist, but our commonalities are far more than what divides us!

We Both confess:

One God

Faith in Jesus

Belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost

We must call on Jesus for salvation - there is no other name!

Jesus - the Son of God

Jesus was fully God and fully man

The Father was in heaven when His Son was on Earth

Our salvation is unmerited

The only hope for salvation is in Jesus Christ

We are saved by grace through faith...

We have so very much in common, yet some dwell on what divides... I choose not to do that.

navygoat1998 03-16-2013 03:12 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1234934)
Salvation-wise I have never once questioned that the body of Christ is composed of Christians from many walks of life and denominational identification.

Jermyn, God is greater than our perceptions and our theological divisions. I understand that differences do exist, but our commonalities are far more than what divides us!

We Both confess:

One God

Faith in Jesus

Belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost

We must call on Jesus for salvation - there is no other name!

Jesus - the Son of God

Jesus was fully God and fully man

The Father was in heaven when His Son was on Earth

Our salvation is unmerited

The only hope for salvation is in Jesus Christ

We are saved by grace through faith...

We have so very much in common, yet some dwell on what divides... I choose not to do that.

:yourock

Cindy 03-16-2013 03:14 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1234934)
Salvation-wise I have never once questioned that the body of Christ is composed of Christians from many walks of life and denominational identification.

Jermyn, God is greater than our perceptions and our theological divisions. I understand that differences do exist, but our commonalities are far more than what divides us!

We Both confess:

One God

Faith in Jesus

Belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost

We must call on Jesus for salvation - there is no other name!

Jesus - the Son of God

Jesus was fully God and fully man

The Father was in heaven when His Son was on Earth

Our salvation is unmerited

The only hope for salvation is in Jesus Christ

We are saved by grace through faith...

We have so very much in common, yet some dwell on what divides... I choose not to do that.

:thumbsup

Jermyn Davidson 03-16-2013 03:24 PM

Re: A Lot in Common But Very Different
 
I am addressing the thought that speaks to the, "We have the truth" mindset.
I am addressing the thought that speaks to the, "They are sadly deceived heteticks" mindset.

I am addresing the thought that many have on both sides of the spectrum-- that the doctrine of those other folks are why those people are going to hell and are not saved.

I am not saying I think like this all the time or that I even agree with anyone who on either side who thinks like this.

I am saying that IF any of those people are Biblically correct in their summation of the salvation on those on the other side-- I am saying that in this moment, these thoughts cause me to pause.

Just typing my thoughts out loud-- memories of conversations with people from both sides of the aisle.

Jermyn Davidson 03-16-2013 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Farfel (Post 1234932)
I hope I'm not being dense, but are you concerned that one's salvation could be at jeopardy because of division, or because of fallible doctrine?

Doctrine(s) does have a place in discussions of salvation and eternity.

Do you OR DOES ANYONE actually believe that doctrine does not have a place in discussions of salvation and eternity?


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